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  1. 11 points
    https://duncanedwards8.wordpress.com/2020/05/03/for-the-love-of-god-and-football-stop/ It is just me wittering on; but I’m increasingly amazed if not surprised by the attempts to contrive a result out of all this.
  2. 10 points
    I don't care whether it's Delia or Webber but I would be so proud if either of them just came out and said, "We are not prepared to put our players at risk so will not be taking part. Have the points. We will take relegation."
  3. 8 points
    He's going to sack Johnson.
  4. 8 points
    No skin in this game as I don't have a season ticket anymore. However, if the club wanted me to turn down the money to help them out I'd expect to see the executives/players also giving some up to help the club.
  5. 8 points
  6. 8 points
    With all this free time I decided to finally get down to recording a few more recollections of a different time. I hopeIt may jog a few memories from nostalgia lovers. Chapter 2 Difficult Times The world of the early 1950’s may not have been black and white in reality but that is the way I see it in my minds eye. Maybe it is a trick of the memory but it seemed that everyone wore hats. My mum certainly did, and my father would never go out without his Trilby; he even wore it when digging the garden. Those who didn’t live through those difficult times may not realise that food rationing only ended in July 1954. There was no such thing as a Self-Service Supermarket; you simply waited in a queue until a shop assistant could serve you. It was a time of very real austerity where the only entertainment for ordinary people was the pub, the cinema and the local football club. The weather was often damp and foggy and because nearly everybody had coal fires there was a dangerous form known as smog, that killed thousands in the more densely populated cities. It was often so dense that bus services stopped running and I can recall one evening when I was about five or six when my father carried me on his shoulders, all the way from the City to West Earlham. It was in the late 1940’s that my parents finally got a council house and we left my grandmother’s house in King St and went to live on the new West Earlham Estate, very close to Earlham Park. These were the years that cemented my love of football in general and of Norwich City Football Club in particular. I have told you how it all began. This is how it continued. Like any nine year old boy I looked forward to Saturdays, especially in the football season. My Saturday match day experience would begin something like this. First it would be off to Saturday morning pictures at the Haymarket Cinema with a bunch of my mates. At about half past nine we’d catch the 79 bus at The Five Ways and take a penny ha’penny ride down to the top of Guildhall Hill. From there it was a short walk through the market place to the Haymarket Cinema, which was situated where Top Shop now stands. It was sixpence to get in and was colloquially termed “The Tanner Rush”. You would get a cartoon, a serial (Flash Gordon, Rocket Man or Superman), with each episode invariably ending on a cliff-hanger and a feature which was often a Western with Gene Autry or Hop-along Cassidy. I wasn’t so keen on the Shirley Temple, “Good Ship Lollipop” stuff but it was all very tame fare compared with today. After the cinema, I would meet my mum and walk down to my Grandmothers in King Street for my pre-match dinner, which would consist of a sixpenny piece of cod and three pence worth of chips from Valori’s, in Rose Lane. My Grandmothers house is no longer in existence, it was demolished in the 1960’s to make way for what is now a small office block on the corner of Rose Lane. I remember it clearly as a three storey early Victorian building with my father’s workshop at the front and the living quarters above and behind. This backed onto a yard where there was a little bit of garden with a gate and a narrow passage called Foyson’s Yard, that led down into Rose Lane. It is a strange thing, but in my mind I can walk round every room of that house and see it just as if it was yesterday. Where Castle Mall now stands was the old cattle market and on market days they would still drive the cattle and sometimes sheep, through the streets on the way down to Thorpe station. One summer afternoon someone left the gate open and a huge bullock came up the passage, and before the drovers could turn it around it had trampled all over my grandmothers Delphiniums. My Grandmother was a very quietly spoken Victorian lady who never left the house winter or summer without her black coat and hat. She wasn’t so quietly spoken that afternoon and I am sure it was one of the only two times I ever heard her swear. The other occasion was when her sixpenny double on two Lester Piggot mounts at Newmarket came unstuck by a short head. She was fond of a flutter on the nags, and I have vivid memories of her sitting in an armchair in her flowered wraparound apron, as she sorted out the runners and riders before risking her sixpence each way bet. I often think of what a hard life she must have had bringing up eight children in the days before mod cons. Before I became a regular match goer she would get me to stand outside the front door to find out the score as the early leavers flooded upKing Street. Yes, even in those days people left before the end because often the reply to my tentative enquiry would be, “they were 2-1 up when I left”. It was actually in Rose Lane that I saw my first ever FA Cup final. There was a little electrical shop on the left hand side just before you get to the traffic lights at the junction with King St . One afternoon I noticed a small crowd clustered round the shop window. Being a curious youngster, I edged to the front and there in glorious black and white, and on a very small screen, was the Cup final. I can’t be certain of the year but I think it might have been 1954, W.B.A. v Preston. Not many people had television in those days and the only time you might see a few fleeting seconds of football was at the cinema on the Pathe Newsreel. I wonder how many people can still remember Pathe News with the cockerel crowing in the opening sequence. I was taken to a few more first team games in the 1954/55 season with my uncle and cousin, but can’t really recall anything worthy of note other than being captivated by the noise and excitement. On Saturdays when the first team was playing away I would amble down King Street on my own and dodge in for the last half hour of a reserve game, after Russell Allison, had opened those big green gates. The reserves played in a league called The Football Combination, and it contained reserve sides of many of the teams in Southern England, including most of the big London clubs. Often there would be as many as four or five thousand spectators, especially if it was against Arsenal or Spurs reserves. I think many of them were there just to get the news of what was happening with the first team. There was no Internet or mobile phones back then, and no instant score programme so you had no idea what was going on until the football results came on the radio at five o’clock. However, if you were at Carrow Rd for the reserves game you could keep a little more in touch. Every fifteen minutes you would hear a disembodied voice come over the Tannoy system saying something like, “ The latest news from (Gay Meadow,Layer Rd, or The Den or wherever the first team was playing) after 30 minutes the score is so and so, nil the City one. A big cheer would go up if they were winning or a moan of despair if they were behind. I liked to get behind the River End goal and watch Ken Nethercott, who was my first goalkeeping hero. When the ball was up the other end Ken would often turn round and chat with people in the crowd. He was a really affable sort of guy and I had the pleasure of meeting him in later years. It must have been standing behind the goal for those reserve games that I first decided I wanted to be a goalkeeper. I don’t know why, perhaps it was the diving about in the mud that appealed to my boyish enthusiasm. They didn’t have those specialist goalkeeping gloves then either; the most you would see would be a pair of woollen gloves with the fingers cut out. I knew the names of all those top keepers of the fifties and still remember them. There was Jack Kelsey, at Arsenal, Ted Ditchburn, at Spurs, Gil Merrick, at Brum and Bert Trautmann at ManCity. You didn’t have to be in the top league to get an International look in either; Reg Matthews was the England No 1 and he played for Coventry City, who were in our league at the time (Division 3 South). I think it is true to say that all football talent was more evenly spread in those days and it wasn’t the same two or three clubs that regularly won the league. The notorious maximum wage was in operation at that time and no player was allowed to earn above a certain arbitrary sum per week. I believe the figure at that time was something like fifteen quid with a bonus of two quid for a win and a pound for a draw. It probably equated to little more than twice what an average factory worker earned. Players often had to get a part time job during the summer because their wages were reduced by about 20% when the season ended. It wasn’t until the early nineteen sixties that the maximum wage was abolished and I think even in 1960 it was only twenty quid a week. I believe it was England captain, Johnny Haynes of Fulham, who became the first hundred quid a week footballer. I wasn’t aware of it at the time but those first few seasons as a supporter coincided with a sharp fall in football league attendances and I was also unaware that this would mark the beginning of a slow decline in the fortunes of our football club. At Carrow Road, average attendances of 24k in 1950/51 had dropped by almost 50% five years later. After WW2 millions flocked to football grounds as a cheap source of entertainment but as things became easier, people found they had the money for other pastimes. The 54/55 season was pretty dour stuff with City finishing about halfway. It could get a bit tight when the gates were in the mid twenties, but as I remember it there was often plenty of room and gates tailed off badly to just over 10k by the end. For me, the big disappointment was the transfer to Spurs, of my favourite player, Johnny Gavin, but I was glad to see him back for the start of the next season thanks to a swap plus money deal that took budding centre-half star Maurice Norman in the other direction. Norman was a local lad who became part of Spurs famous double winning side and a regular for England in the early sixties. I recall all the talk about how good Norman was but only have a vague recollection of ever seeing him play in the flesh. A little before the 55/56 season began we moved from West Earlham to a bungalow just off PlumsteadRd. That season City had a new manager in Tom Parker, a man who had managed The Club successfully before the war. I have some very clear memories from this season and one that always sticks in the mind is the 7-2 victory over Southend, just before Christmas. There had been a lot of snow and frost (under-soil heating was still years in the future) and the game was only on because the pitch had been covered in straw. It had all been brushed onto the perimeter track so the game could commence. Johnny Gavin netted four in that game and I think it was Hunt, Gordon and left winger, Billy Coxon, with the others. For some unaccountable reason another game that has stuck in the memory was a three two home defeat to Newport County. It was one of the first home defeats that I can clearly remember. Newport were in white with black shorts while City were in their now almost forgotten black shorts with the smart yellow stripe up the side. The Canaries found themselves two up at half time but conceded three after the break. All the goals were scored down our end so perhaps that’s why I remember it so well. There was also a rare victory over Ipswich, which must have been at Easter because there was a huge crowd of over 30k. There was such a crush at the turn-styles that I got into the ground a bit late and missed the first goal. I could only just squeeze into a space under the Pinkun scoreboard and I recall what must have been City’s second goal, it was at the River End, and I think it was a Peter Gordon header, but I wouldn’t swear to it. Gordon, was a fairly regular starter at that time and went by the nickname of “Flash” for obvious reasons and not because he was particularly quick. Ralph Hunt was our main goal scorer in those days and it was during this season that he netted 33 times (31 in the league). You may have seen photographs of him; he had a shock of wavy hair and stood almost six feet tall with a strong build; the kind of old fashioned centre forward who, as my father used to say, could run through a brick wall. He was a fairly prolific scorer especially with his head, and played for a whole string of clubs at the third and fourth level. He tragically died young, killed in a car accident in 1964. My father often remarked that Hunt had only scored so many because Bobby Brennan laid them on a plate for him. This was to prove weirdly prophetic the following season when Parker shipped Brennan off to YarmouthTown, with the excuse that he had to make way for younger talent. We also lost stalwart centre half Reg Foulkes who went off to player manage non league Wisbech but little did we know then how this would trigger everything falling apart. I attended most of the home games during the 56/57 season and as an adventuresome young boy I began to wander to all parts of the ground to see where I could get a better, or a different view. I liked to get close to the pitch if only because it made it easier to get a Mars bar or a Rollo when that bloke with the confectionary tray came round at half time. I remember us starting the season quite well, winning the first four home games then everything just gradually fell apart as things went from bad to worse while we slipped down to the bottom of the league. Without Bobby Brennan, Ralph Hunt’s scoring streak dried up and the defence leaked goals. Charlie Billington, Matt McNeil and Reg Pointer all had runs at centre half but we couldn’t stop the rot. Parker brought in local youngsters like Ron Bacon and Russell Laskey and although they flickered a bit they never caught fire. Even a first round FA Cup game against BedfordTown brought no relief as we crashed out by four goals to two. The crowd weren’t very happy at the end and I’m sure I learned some more new words that afternoon. The most vivid memory of this season for me however was not a league game. It was the inaugural floodlit match at Carrow Rd against Sunderland on a late autumn evening in 1956. It was one of the few matches I ever saw with my father; we caught the 92 bus at Hilary Avenue on Plumstead Rd and walked to the ground from Rosary Corner. I remember that we stood in the Barclay and were amazed to think we could watch football by night. He bought me a program which I still have and whenever i look at it all those memories came flooding back. Games were played on Christmas day almost up to the end of the 1950’s and it was usually a local derby with a return fixture Boxing Day. What made them special was that there was often a bit of a grudge and payback from the previous game. That year, we got a point at Colchester but then lost at home 24 hours later. The writing was now on the wall and crowds were dwindling fast as results went into a freefall and it must have been shortly after this that Parker got the sack and club revealed a desperate financial position. There was a very real fear that the club might go to the wall. I think we went a couple of months without a manager because it was not until just before the end of the season that Archie Macauley was appointed. At one stage we had to borrow £500 from King Lynn and then Eastern Counties Newspapers stepped in to foot the wage bill to keep us going. Arthur South, who was the then Lord Mayor, launched a £25k appeal fund to save the club and for weeks afterward men carrying extended sheets would come round the ground at half time so fans could throw money into it. My dad gave me an extra shilling pocket money so I could chuck it in and I can honestly say that despite the temptations of the confectionary tray, I always did. There were some chastening experiences that season as we went twenty six games without a win. A seven one reverse at Torquay was a particularly painful defeat that sticks in the mind. I recall waiting for the Pinkun to come to read all about it. On the front page beside the report they used to print a little goalmouth with as many balls piled up as goals had been scored. A few weeks later that little goal had seven in it thanks to a five two home defeat against Reading, I stood in the Barclay for that one. Does anyone else remember Tom Dixon, who was the Reading centre forward that day? A prolific scorer at that level, he always seemed to have a field day against us. The agony finally ended in March, when we beat Millwall two nil to end the winless run. I have a very vivid memory of standing in the Enclosure for that game with one of my schoolmates amongst a very sparse crowd of around 12k. The following week we surprisingly won again, at Shrewsbury, by five goals to four. I stood in the River End with my uncle Bill, watching a Reserve game that afternoon and listening to the loudspeaker as the score came over. The reserve game had kicked off fifteen minutes earlier so when I left we were four two down, and didn’t find out that we had scored three in the last few minutes until the Pinkun came through the door that evening. The revival didn’t last long however and we were destined to finish stone last with thirty one points. There was no automatic relegation from Divisions 3 North and 3 South back then, you just had to apply for re-election and rely on a positive vote from the other teams in the league. Those were the days when non-league teams like Peterborough and BathCity were trying to get elected, but my dad said it would just be a formality and in spite of all my boyish worrying he was right. I can still recall the moment of relief when the Evening News came through the door with the joyful news that our application had been successful. We had reached the bottom, but now the only way was up. The dreadful home record that season would have discouraged many a new young fan but despite all that misery I gradually became aware then, that I had been bitten by the bug and was now part of something bigger. I had been more or less a casual fan up until this point, but now I couldn’t wait for the next season to begin. The trauma of nearly losing the club had brought a sense of togetherness in adversity but also a certainty that there was a light at the end of the tunnel. I think even then that I knew this feeling would stay with me for the rest of my life. Whenever times have got tough over the years (and believe me, there’s been more than a few) I’ve used that experience to sustain me and to remember that there is always a turning point if you can stick it out long enough. I remain eternally grateful that I did, else I would never have got to experience the agony and ecstasy of what was to follow.
  7. 7 points
    Just announced that Dominic Cummings will be taking the 4pm briefing today. He will be announcing further lifting of the travel restrictions and also making them retrospective.
  8. 7 points
    Wow For those just not just watching the Andrew Marr show the chief exec of AstraZeneca was just on. He confirmed he was ‘ very confident ‘ the vaccine will work if not to stop it completely to protect you from the serious effects of the virus. He said this was just how the flu jab works ie you can still catch it but your body can cope. He confirmed due to the falling numbers people in Brazil have been injected with the vaccine to quicken up the trial. He also confirmed most countries are now ordering their doses for September, this included China, America and India. The U.K. have apparently ordered 100 million doses, which will be made here and ready by October. This order will be purely for the U.K. Of course there are no guarantees but this sounds more hopeful by the day. His biggest concern was the virus disappearing from communities so they couldn’t test it properly, hence why they are in Brazil and negotiating with Russia.
  9. 7 points
    Jesus Bill. How have you made this about you yet again being a victim and everyone else being 'assorted numpties'? Take a look at yourself. Then, for the good of everyone including yourself, close the bloody forum.
  10. 7 points
    Have you ever considered that Internet forums may just not be for you? Do give it some serious thought.
  11. 6 points
    Just like you were going up last season, and you knew it....
  12. 6 points
    Promoted to where? Currently there are no openings in the EPL.... so just more positioning for negotiation. If we are up for mid season change of rules, why not a mini playoff league - Leeds, WBA, Fulham plus City, Villa, Watford. Top three in next season’s Premier League. Not fair? OK then nothing is fair, if you are not prepared to do something that is not fair then you void the season and start again next year with the status quo.
  13. 6 points
    Giving to the CSF is not begging. Giving to the Academy is helping protect the future of the club. I wonder how many will donate. Presumably people bought their memberships and season tickets because they could afford them - and it is not the club's fault this has happened and that the CSF is losing income too....it's a charity and what a great cause to donate to.
  14. 6 points
    Can't agree Indy. It's a total lie that there are too many people on the planet. There's more than enough air, water, food and land for all the 7.5 billion people in this world. The problem is the ludicrous and thoughtless over consumption that a proportion of those people indulge in. We need an attitude shift to place sustainability at the heart of everything we do.
  15. 6 points
    You cannot relegate teams of the basis of an incomplete season (certainly when not mathematically down anyway) and you cannot promote teams from the EFL without them completing their season either. Both or either would be manifestly unfair. What seems to get ignored in this debate is that unlike Leeds and WBA (yet) we earnt the right to a full season in this league by winning the championship over a full, complete season. We also earnt the right to all of the financial rewards that brings and the payments that are due to us. To suggest we should be relegated without the opportunity to complete the season pus lose a large chunk of that income into the bargain whilst Leeds or WBA are concurrently handed a £100m windfall without actually winning their division is ridiculous.
  16. 6 points
    Sitting in my armchair watching a game played possibly in a neutral venue but in any case with no crowd and devoid of any atmosphere has absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever and if anybody suggests it will uplift my morale i beg to differ.
  17. 5 points
    So if you are worried about your eyesite, put all your family in the car and drive 30 miles is an appropriate eye test??
  18. 5 points
    Do you know what, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. This thread is surely the most important and interesting one on here because it talks about the chance of basically eradicating this virus. Anybody who is truly on this message board to talk about the virus would have looked at this thread. The fact is, those who make the most noise on the other thread are pretty much conspicuous by their absence on here. It is funny that they can always find something to talk about and comment on over there but here, where there is no room for political posturing/comment - they don't say a word. To me, that shows what is actually the most important thing to them - and it isn't the virus.
  19. 5 points
    That sounds painful.... I'll stick to analysing rather than analising I think.
  20. 5 points
    "As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please" (Chomsky)
  21. 5 points
    This "reward failure" not "success" argument is tiresome. the whole point is that NOBODY has failed or succeeded YET because a season is over 38 or 46 games depending on which division you are in. What this PPG system does is reward teams who may have had a good start to the season but who have not actually achieved anything yet. I think it is clearly more unfair to reward teams who have not actually achieved anything yet with a massive cash windfall than it is to reprieve teams who have actually earnt that case windfall over 46 games but have not had a chance to defend their position over 38 games in the premier league.
  22. 5 points
    There would have been fewer unhappy clubs if the powers that be had the guts to grasp the nettle. As things now stand its going to be a right old pigs ear. The more they attempt to contrive positions the worse they make the problem.
  23. 5 points
    I wish people would stick to debating Brexit, HS2 etc on other threads. There's more than enough to discuss about Coronavirus, it's a once-in-a century health crisis and plenty of Govt failings to berate, but I wish people would tackle all the normal political infighting elsewhere.
  24. 5 points
    Bags of potential and I feel we aren't yet close to seeing the best of him. Currently he is exciting going forward and with the right coaching he could develop other parts of his game and be a very well rounded player. I've got a lot of time for anyone who can go from Championship bit-part player to one of our best performers in Premier League over only one summer. The guy wants it, he's working hard for it and it's showing. It may be quite hopeful, but the longer we keep hold of him (along with our other talented young contingent) the better.
  25. 5 points
    Or the screamer against Forest. The technique was outrageous.
  26. 5 points
    She is probably better off using one of the several Cosmic had made recently, rather than dusting off some relic from a bygone era...
  27. 5 points
    I've worked extensively on influenza clinical trials and bloods are typically taken prior to the vaccine and again at 28 days. The aim is to show either sero-conversion (someone going from not having antibodies to having above a certain level in their blood), or for those who already have some level of antibodies a 4-fold increase so if for example they had 1:10 pre-vaccine titre, they'd need to be 1:40 or greater post vaccination. I'm assuming it will be something similar for these COVID-19 studies, so it's probably too early to tell if the vaccine is working as expected (they could take 14 day bloods to see if the signs are positive). So far our company is only working on treatments for those with the illness and not any vaccine trials, however should they ramp up to the multiple thousands of subjects, then I'm sure that we'll be involved.
  28. 5 points
    1) The extra protection for players is being called for by the Premier League/the top clubs because they are desperate to finish the season for financial reasons. I imagine many of the players are embarrassed that they might get preferential treatment. 2) The 'footballers are thickoes' argument writ very large. You do not need to be an epidemiologist to work out that this virus could kill you. 3) There is no moral obligation to do your job if that endangers your health and that of those around you.
  29. 5 points
    If the farce of finishing the season goes ahead behind closed doors at neutral venues i really don't care if it resorts to walking football as my interest in watching it decreases by the day so player fitness is not an issue for me.
  30. 5 points
    8 weeks too late.
  31. 5 points
    My opinion is that football should come back fully or not at all, none of these half arsed approaches.
  32. 5 points
    Last season Leeds had 73 points from 37 games. This season they have 71. In 2015 Leicester had 19 points from 29 games. This season we have 21 from 29. Leicester stayed up and then won the PL the next season. The idea that we were as good as down wasn't true at the beginning of March and isn't true now.
  33. 5 points
    Anything could happen in six months - a whole new outbreak of something completely different. We can’t have perpetual lockdown “just in case”. As for the current coronavirus, I don’t think anyone expects us to be back to complete normality this year, or probably even for most of next. What is normal will probably change - even in a few years time I expect restaurants will have more space between tables, there’ll be glass protective screens in front of cashiers etc. It’s not about being prepared to let older people die to satisfy their financial worries. The average age of people dying is 80 (or 82, I still haven’t checked and can’t remember). People aged 82 do die - see previous discussion on excess deaths. Of course we should try to avoid/minimise deaths and extend life. But at the same time, if we don’t sort out the economy there are going to be many more deaths caused by poverty and lack of funding of essential public sector bodies and charities. Nearly half the working population is currently on the furlough scheme or benefits. Others have no income and arent/can’t claim benefits whilst many of those in employment are on reduced salaries. The government has said it can’t keep the furlough scheme going indefinitely. So what are those people going to do after that? Starve to death? Or we would have to pay them all benefits - reducing amounts available to go the NHS and other infrastructure which again will lead to further deaths. On the basis lockdown for extended period of time will lead to more deaths anyway (In younger and older generations when public sector health funding collapses at the expense of just paying people enough for them to actually afford food), why is it okay for us to continue a lockdown which will lead to more deaths across the board when the main risk of death currently is to people aged on average 80? There is no simple answer but this idea that it’s “disgusting” to focus on the economy is extremely short sighted. Many many more will die if we don’t get the economy sorted - which involves some loosening of restrictions.
  34. 5 points
    They aren't doing it for the money Jim. They are doing it to raise the spirits of the country. Honest
  35. 5 points
    Puts internet away. Some hours later takes to the internet again and trawls through six pages of this thread. Slaps head, says 'Oh dear god', and opens another bottle of lockdown rosé.
  36. 5 points
    For dancing? Honestly, the state of you.
  37. 5 points
    I can't believe I'm being suckered into the trap of arguing with Bill, as this is the first thing anyone should get taught when they join the Pinkun forum. But I'll plod on regardless... It's blatantly obvious that money is driving factor. The Premier League are pushing much harder than anyone else to finish the league because they stand to lose more money than any other league. We know that. But circumstances are making that nearly impossible. Regardless of whether teams will go bust due to a massive shortfall, or if they have to do some serious restructuring or belt-tightening, it's unlikely that the season will be played out. You can persist with your condescending, mocking posts towards anyone who dares suggest this (which seems to be a majority of people) but it's highly likely that the season won't finish, there will be a black hole in the Premier League's finances and they'll have to deal with it somehow. So come on then, tell me why I'm stupid. I'm all ears.
  38. 5 points
    Is our society that sick and self centred that it wants to dishonour the lives of everyone, especially NHS staff who have died by risking other lives to play out football matches for half a dozen clubs?
  39. 5 points
    Sunak's 'Bounce Back Loan' for SME At last - No mess, no nonsense - capped at 50K (or 25% turnover) - and govt. pays the interest for the first 12 months. Should help a lot of very small but otherwise viable businesses. Good.
  40. 5 points
    That's what I think. The safest way for health reasons is null and void. The fairest way for football is null and void.
  41. 4 points
    This post looks rather foolish now, faster than anyone could have thought possible. This is a perfect example of why PMQs are important and why traps are necessary to improve policy. Johnson had no intention at all of stopping charging carers & NHS workers because they happened to be foreign. In fact he was planning to increase the charge. He said so in parliament at PMQs. Yes, it was a trap, but it was one Johnson was dumb enough to fall into. From the moment Starmer said Labour would lay an an amendment to the immigration Johnson was shafted. Superb work to get the right outcome.
  42. 4 points
    In some countries, the accused in cases such as rape are granted anonymity until they're found guilty, as even those who are found not guilty often have to live with the stigma for the rest of their lives. False accusations can wreck lives and careers. We don't know if Hudson-Odoi is guilty or innocent, so it's wrong to speculate or even publish it at this stage, in my opinion. Even if it gets dropped tomorrow with no case to answer, he'll still be known as a rapist by some and get chants aimed at him for the rest of his career.
  43. 4 points
  44. 4 points
    I find it quite bizarre how I can generally agree with someone's overall point of view but still get so irritated by them due to the manner in which they put it across. I personally think T has fallen victim to the ad hominem fallacy to some extent. His hatred for the UK and love of all things German means that whatever the UK does is automatically wrong and whatever Germany does is right, just because Germany is so perfect. They could reopen the gas chambers tomorrow and T would claim that its a great decision and somehow they are just one step ahead of everyone else.
  45. 4 points
    Reminds of the old song... Send in the Clowns.
  46. 4 points
  47. 4 points
    True. But then it’s difficult not to describe people carrying firebrands, waving swastikas and shouting 'Jews will not replace us' without using the 'N' word. I suggest you would need to be a bit that way inclined to call them 'good people'.
  48. 4 points
    Wanna bet ? Why then all the unnecessary sly digs and insults ? You put in a lot of effort posting some good points and then derail yourself with all this name calling nonsense. Don't do it if you want to engage in any sort of sensible discussion.
  49. 4 points
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