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Sorry DK but a bloke that can’t get into the Brighton side isn’t “walking into the England” anything . I appreciate that football is all about opinion but that is a massive pile of cobblers.

Wales allow qualification if you've been to Wrexham.

But Truss did involve Brexit by saying we could negotiate because of Brexit. Its in Hansard.

Wins more aerial battles than any of our other midfielders. Makes more interceptions than any of our other midfielders except for Hayden. Good energy for counter pressing. Always gets some goals and assists at this level. Good leader, organises.

Two penalties in 90th and 94th minutes win this cup match. Time to share that spirit to the men's team?

Over the next few weeks the NHS will face a sustained attack from the government, telling us how we are irresponsible etc etc. I am afraid all this will mean is staff will be leaving at twice the current rate and we will need even more immigration from Asia, Africa and the America’s.

Another negative Brexit effect. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/27/brexit-worsened-shortage-nhs-doctors-eu I did wonder for fun if we should actually split the NHS in two 1. For Brexiteers only - understaffed with only a handful of Brexiter 'British' doctors and nurses - waiting lists measured in decades although of course you can always pay to go private and.. 2. One for the Remainers (or lapsed reformed Quitters) - fully staffed with immigrant and British hard working doctors and nurses - efficient and a short waiting list. Job sorted.

There is no doubt whatsoever that Brexiteers hailed the opportunity to negotiate an independent trade deal with Japan as a major triumph for Brexit. The consensus among experts is that it benefitted the Japanese more than it did the UK but on the whole was pretty much the same as what we had while in the SM. The cost of gaining that independence in negotiating trade deals was withdrawal from the SM, and the cost of that withdrawal is to be counted in multiple billions every year for the foreseeable future (4% of GDP according to the government's own figures). Insofar as the Japanese deal constitutes a part of our post-Brexit trading position it shares in that decline. We were told by Brexiteers that the whole point of preferring independence from the EU and SM was that such negotiations would result in deals far better than we could have gained by staying within that trading bloc. That was a blatant lie then and has been exposed as such by the Japanese deal and all the other subsequent negotiations. Yellow Fever is undoubtedly right to point out that lack of access to the SM is an obvious big disincentive to foreign investment in this country and no one should be surprised by the number of companies withdrawing from the UK and locating within the EU. My Dutch friends are delighted. It really isn't rocket science.

I've just spent thousands on new label sets and specific red tape certification for UKCA marking (just for the UK) as the CE marking grace period for the UK ends. Now oddly, one of the CPTTP aims is standards recognition across borders - but backwards Brexit UK is clearly doing the exact opposite - make it more difficult. But then as must be surely clear to all we excel as a country in creating more, not less paperwork - it's what the Brexiters voted for (clumsy, sclerotic extra paperwork and costs)! We invented the jobs-worth. 50,000 more customs officers, was it? Bring back the EU efficient bureaucracy any day. Should stick with CE (as all Uk manufacturers will still want meet this) and not have some pathetic extra UK only standard. Goes along with UK (now not GB) car stickers. Certifiably crackers the lot of them.

So when she thought it was good she put it in the same breath as Brexit. Now it’s not good it’s nothing to do with Brexit. Why convince us it was all better ( the deal ) because of Brexit if it was nothing to do with Brexit. She used Trumpism. Anyone defending Liz Truss after what she did to our country must want to see the U.K. sink to the bottom of the pile.

Succession policy being transparent, but also controlled, is very difficult to attain. During the early throes of self funding, Smith and Jones felt comfortable to name Nephew Tom as their successor, to a collective sigh from most on here. More recently, pre-Attanasio, there seemed less certainty that this was their plan after all, as the reality of self-funding kicked in. Now with Attanasio on the scene, it does seem as long as he adheres to his Brewers approach, control will pass from Smith & Jones to him. What might stop this succession is once again though, not transparent but down to "feel". Should Attanasio gain control, will the club be treated differently to the Brewers? My early sense is this does seem a family "project". The fact young Mike is very visible implies succession in this case is a passing of control to him. I think most people engaging on this thread will potentially be in their dotage by then, but Nutty is right to highlight succession as a concern. As we can see at ManUre, what was expected to be control by the Glazer dynasty has turned into another dash for cash by the family. Will Mike have a similar change of heart after 20 years of family control? Much will depend of course on how successful the club is in all aspects of the project and the relationship between supporters and the family. Mike is currently social media savvy, taking note of supporters aspirations and hope, but when the going gets tough it will be easy to just log off and do his own thing. Again, as Nutty says, supporters will have very little control over this. The Attanasio's then. A risk worth pursuing? At the moment it remains the only game in town.

With the greatest of respect you seem to be missing the point. Both the article in question and posters on here aren't saying Brexit has led to these worsening trade numbers. What is being said is that for Brexit to provide any economic boost then these new free trade deals needed to be significantly better than what we had to make up for the economic hit from leaving the single market. The fact that the first such free trade deal has failed to do this and, as you've said, isn't actually much different to what we already have, rather damages that argument.

Top level football is the plaything of the super wealthy now. In contrast, our approach to try to become properly self-sustaining, with Delia behaving almost like a trustee rather than an owner, has been bordering on romantic as a struggle against the odds to do something differently. With that said, even with the admission of defeat regarding making it to the next level without a major capital injection, it's clear that the club isn't selling out on principles in the pursuit of that capital injection; Attanasio and his kids seem like real sports enthusiasts who also happen to be incredibly good with money who have also jumped in with both feet as far as seeking to understand the club's culture and history and truly become part of it as they did at the Brewers. Overall, in spite of the fact that I'm disappointed that progressing 'the right way' is almost conclusively proven impossible now, I'm happy that the club is still looking to progress in best way possible to get the extra resources while keeping the culture of the club rather than simply selling out to the highest bidder.

Of course this is right. It is exactly why what happens to the equity gain is so important Selling is also always about who the buyer sells to next. So what incentives exist or are offered - visible or not, recognised by others or not, spotted by professional market risk evaluators or not - matters massively. People may or may not say or do anything to get what they want. Delia is doing this though @nutty nigel, the ultimate call is hers. As I said earlier ‘You wait 25 years for another Delia, then none come along at once’. They waited and waited for another Delia - maybe or maybe not rejecting ‘camels coming up Carrow Road’ and who knows? Maybe a cowboy or two. And now the whole Norwich world could be in a stateside pocket of the owner of an American finance firm with no great links to Norwich and only a fairly recent - and secondary - interest in the sport. I do not believe that this was the exit dream. I do not believe that this was the legacy vision. I do not believe this is the ideal plan. As heard at the AGM: ‘Is Attanasio’s involvement and financial input a recognition that the top level sporting ceiling of the self-sustaining model has been reached?’ Zoe Webber: ‘Yes’ Parma

I'm fine because I rate him 💛⚽💚💪

Unlucky @PurpleCanary; well done @sonyc I really enjoyed that. Thanks again for the invitation, @nutty nigel, and thanks again for all the cracking suggestions to everybody else!

I sent him after telling him to get the hell out of my gaff.

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Lovely goal

I agree we (England) have a lack of midfielders who are comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, and progressing the ball. Bellingham the one to come through who can do it all, you can then look to see Harvey Elliott, Gallagher, and Jacob Ramsey plus of course Ollie Skipp. Hopefully they will be around the squad for the next competition, I thought Gilmour was poor at NCFC, it is true to say it was not all his fault equally he clearly did not grasp the opportunity. At Brighton he is not getting close to the first team, perhaps that will change although the last I heard he might be heading out on loan.

Why is Billy Gilmours dad still knocking about on here with his absurd claims his son was our best midfielder last season? He's turd, and as I said last season he'll end up at Buckie Thistle or the like.

1 or 2 of them keep trolling every now and then, with stuff that people no longer believe or take in.

You don't really get this do you. Even if we had exactly the same deal as with the EU we would, from the Japanese perspective, be a less significant country to trade with. The reason is simply because we are no longer part of the SM and all the advantages that gave with supply chains ... and the reason for that is Brexit. The proof of that is simply in the trade numbers and as compared to our immediate neighbours.

I'm presently trying to find out (from Scottish Power) what the Hell's going on with my leccy bills. Using the graphical information from their app I reckon my day/night split is roughly 50-50 (probably nearer 45-55; this makes sense because we heat water at night via immersion & there's been no space heating) but there bill says it's nearer 72-28. The overall consumption tallies, but obviously the split makes a huge difference to the bill. The last bill shows zero consumption at the night rate, which is incomprehensible (I've checked the relevant hours & our timers are well within limits). When we tried to set up a DD the rates quoted were astronomical - about 32p/unit at night & around 60p daytime - so that's out the window & finally we've just been sent a month's bill with a night rate about 13p & day rate under40p!! The energy cap hasn't changed so that doesn't explain the sudden drop. We did get a substantial subsidy as well, no idea why. This has been going on for months. Nothing happened until I complained to Citizen's Advice & then Trading Standards (when CA tried to connect me all I got was "congratulations on taking our survey...." 😡😡🤬) I then got a phone call from a very nice lady & thought progress was being made. Ha bloody ha. I'll spare you the ramifications (if anyone's still there) but I'm now in the process of taking load tests (as they requested) from the smart meter (outside, you can't do it on the user terminal) which are bearing out my original estimate of the day/night split. This has caused me hours of peeing around & stress. I feel pretty murderous. What doesn't help is that my lovely green electricity is costing THREE AND A HALF TIMES as much as dirty old gas & oil would per unit. Well, I think it is, it depends what Scottish Bloody Power are feeling like charging me this week. Looking at solar plus batteries but prices seemed to have rocketed lately; I wonder why? So we're going to hold off for a while. The situation seems to be a bit like that with computers a while ago, i.e. the technology's improving rapidly in terms of both performance & price, so we'll see where it's heading next year as I suspect price fundamentals are pointing downwards. Couple of interesting links if you (like me) wonder about the veracity of climate change forecasts: https://judithcurry.com/2021/08/18/the-ipccs-attribution-methodology-is-fundamentally-flawed/

Best since 1970 so far although 1990 was my favourite for England. So good that an old fart like me can still get excited by a football tournament.

How things have changed in 3 years. Even then posters on here were laughing at Labour under Corbyn. Abbott got stick just for breathing and Butler was a hate figure. Now you hear nothing from those posters. They knowthere is nothing they can say. Not one iota of redemption.

I've said earlier on this thread that where we are now is basically where Delia, Michael and the Webbers were 12 months ago. We are trying to catch up. (And the Tom succession plan, if it ever was a plan, was dumped years ago.) The succession plan was always 'not what's best for us but what's best for the club'. What is obvious is that losing Farke broke Delia and Michael. Norwich in 2019 was all their hopes and dreams come true. So any realisation stemmed from that. 'What's best for the club' changed with the realisation that Daniel ultimately failed. The plan of now is probably 12 months in progress. Making sure that Foulger was 'looked after' would be part of any succession plan. I would think the interests of other shareholders who stepped up to the plate will also be part of it. But ultimately we will be in a new era. Something to celebrate? Maybe / maybe not. Those who see us suddenly promoted and established will likely be disappointed. But there's always our hopes and dreams...

Barnet played at Accrington in the FA Cup. They still listed the game but voided it later so we got the £ back. Cottbus lead 2-0 in Purple's exotics ⚽⚽💪

Nope, I'm blaming it on brexit and there's **** all you can do about it. 😀

I have no interest into wading into this debate, but I did just want to highlight the amusement I got from reading this in an Alan Partridge type internal voice. No offence intended here LYB - Im not interested in this argument nor taking a side in it because I don't care enough to trawl through and see who said what. I just enjoyed the way this passage of text read.

The best laid schemes o'mice an'men Gay aft a-gley An'lea'e us naught but grief an'pain For promised pay. Rabbie Burns. “The best elaborated projects, whether of mice or men, often fail and bring us only sadness and suffering, instead of the promised prize”.

LYB - I 'm afraid you're very wrong. It has everything to do with Brexit. The issue is not that the 'rollover' deal was over-sold (it was to the idiots) but that now the UK has left EU it is in no longer the 'gateway to Europe' and hence many Japanese (on indeed any non-European) firm no longer see's the UK as a good place to be to service European markets - much more sensible to slowly relocate to the likes of Germany. You certainly don't want your 'service' or distribution centre to be in the UK for goods to Europe let alone manufacturing. On that subject I smiled when I read BMW concentrating it's 'electric minis' in China and Europe and using Oxford for it's legacy i.c. vehicles. To use an American business phrase it's either invest, milk or close. Been there, seen that, done it. Oxford is clearly now in the 'milk' category until the cow has to go to the slaughterhouse. Ergo we see a reduction in our trade (and importantly as compared our EU counterparts). I must own up here too - I've done exactly the same with my company a few years back.

The trade with Japan before Brexit was the UK acting as a hub into the EU, now that option isn't available Japan is trading directly with the EU. It is Brexit related.

This isn't hard to work out. Brexit was sold as a great opportunity. We were free to do our own trade deals etc. The UK-Japan trade deal was sold as a Brexit win, a better deal that would lead to greater prosperity. The reality was it wasn't that much different to what we already had. The extra reality is that it has lead to a slump in trade rather than an increase. This is brexit in a nutshell. It was sold to people that we would be better outside out of the EU and all evidence points out that it is far worse.

I'm not bored going over it and I'm very certain a lot of our farmers won't be bored of pointing out its failings.

Firstly, as the actual results show, it wasn't slightly better, it was worse (as many pointed out at the time, see links). Secondly, what was the point of Brexit if all it meant was that we rolled over some of the existing trade deals on the same EU terms? But so much worse than this, in the true assessment of Brexit, is the fact that we have simply rolled over some of these deals while at the same time removing ourselves from all the massive advantages we had by trading as a member within the single market. The government's own independent figures show a 16% drop in trade with the EU (By far our biggest market) and predict this will be a long-term expectation. I won't be alone in having friends who are small business owners, whose businesses have got a lot smaller since Brexit because they simply can not afford to do trade with the EU any longer. Thirdly, you should consider it a personal luxury that you are simply "bored" with going over the many disastrous aspects of the Australian and New Zealand trade deals. I suspect many farmers would happily trade boredom for the devastation of contemplating the loss of their livelihoods.

I find it interesting that whilst there was so much discomfort about Michael and Delia's majority shareholding the idea of Attanasio having full control seems to be welcomed. The club changes hands away from Norwich and even out of the country for the first time but nobody bats an eyelid. Now I think Attanasio is a good guy and I'm not overly uncomfortable yet because there still seems to be caution. And there should be because we don't really know much about him or his plans. Just that he's considerably richer than yow. But even if he's Mr. Right for now I do have concerns that the control of any future changes of ownership will have left the building.

Lots of huff and puff but precious little quality in there. Poland / Argentina's going to be a hard watch looking at the two previous games.

This contract renewal/extension really is lazy management of the squad make up. McLean and others, along with Hanley, are yesterday’s men. They have no place in the future of an ambitious club. Unless.. Unless everyone is reconciled to an extended stay in the Championship or worse. In that scenario McLean could be viewed as a barely adequate squad utility player to cover injuries. But he has no place in a Club looking forward and beyond the Championship.

Poland will stuff the Argies anyway.

I think the most scientific poll I am seeing at the moment ( and things can change ) is QT with the audiences roundly laughing at the Tory or Tory supporters on the panel and Peston where even the Tory representative is not defending the Tory that comes on and gets a right grilling.

I fully understand that opinions are formed on expectations to a certain degree, as I’ve said previously I’m disappointed we haven’t improved on McLean in 5 years, that’s not a criticism aimed at McLean but the club. In the current circumstances and knowing we’re going to be on a tight budget without promotion, extending McLean’s contract actually is a good thing, without funds for a replacement it’s a no brainer. The club has to consider the worst outcome of no promotion and build for that, if we do go up, I can only hope we do finally get a better replacement.

Unfortunately being able to sign Premier League quality players whilst in the Championship is not particularly easy, and if it were all the league would be doing it. I would imagine that if we don't get promoted then we'll need a replacement for Hayden, so it makes sense not to have to be looking for a replacement for Kenny as well. Kenny is effectively a free transfer and a good bit of business at that.

Gotta be this beauty....

Possibly the most complete player in terms of overall skill set. Often slated, but does no more wrong than any other player in the squad. I am one of the fans delighted with him signing an extension.

I really don't get this idea of having a scapegoat who's fault it is when everything goes wrong. He's one of our players and, believe it or not he's certainly not the worst.