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Met police have been informed to check Forest fans for flares as they enter the stadium. That’s what they were wearing last time they were there

VAR is the single worst thing to ever happen to football.

Let's face it - VAR has done nothing to make football fairer. And considering the loss in joy when a team scores, if it can't even supply more fairness, it shouldn't exist.

We are really pleased to announce that this season, with everyone's help, we have broken our record and raised a massive £10,250 for the CSF making a grand total since we started of £46,000. So proud and happy, thankyou to everyone who has supported us this season, it means the world ❤️ Also our Super 6 results can be found on our website, thanks to all those on here who entered , hope you will enter again next season 😀 Best Wishes - Diane & our volunteers ( all 6 of us are in the picture

If the quality is this bad in the 2nd tier, I can't even begin to imagine how poor you'd have to be to be stuck in the 3rd tier......😏

I am not surprised by this report @horsefly and I've read a few of these over the last few months. I have been reading a few articles on our economy and the effects of Brexit (mostly the dry, statistical and surprisingly non-political kind) as well as quite regular R4 features. Obviously we all get anecdotal information, some of us will know of people affected. But there's nothing like some data to support. Today for example, I listened to the latest evidence that EU workers left health and care jobs in great numbers - and it is of course now easier to get into the UK in these sectors if you come from a country outside of the EU. Naturally, our immigration has risen significantly to fill some of those jobs. People from Nigeria, the Phillipines and India have replaced some of those French, Portuguese, Polish workers for example. There has been no 'taking back control'. Immigration has been less talked about than in Farage's days. Farage made it feel like a big problem.So, for an EU person you have many more hurdles to climb than a non EU person. We haven't sorted out our recruitment in the health service, nor the skills gaps. Johnson promised 3 years ago. It has worsened. Of course Covid has also been a problem but the Brexit effects are antecedent. On the trade front (and inflation) there are lots of worrying signs. A financial expert (Wolf) of the FT analysed many variables (May 17th). A few graphs are copied below. His analysis indicates that Brexit pain is only just beginning. And that is 2.5 years on. Covid and the war in Ukraine mask some of the figures but ongoing trade friction (and sheer loss of business) is the biggest factor. 25 mile tailbacks near Dover prove the issue beyond any doubt. We have essentially waged a trade war on ourselves. Brexit has been a big issue in terms of our inflation. We ought not be believing the Backing Brexit kinds of reports we've read (showing marginal negative effects) because of the data and variables they have excluded. Very handy to set out an analysis where you've set the rules to prove yourself correct. The LSE has also studied trade and exports in a very impartial study. They found that the varieties of export as well as range has fallen greatly. Some 30% of UK suppliers to the EU have fallen away. Evidence points to EU countries finding they can source many products and services elsewhere than from the UK. See the chart right at the bottom for some sector by sector numbers. Trade intensity has dropped dramatically and is at its lowest since 2010 but there has been a big drop since 2019. Small companies have lost their markets. Larger ones have either relocated or are considering doing so. It is a massive worry because behind every stat is a person, a family etc. Our reputation is being damaged and lately so is trust. The trust issue and reputation (the UK being such a long respected partner) has been rubbished by Johnson. Even today I'm reading that more 'so-called' one nation Tories are dismayed and though most of these belonged to the more sensible non-Brexity cohorts (my view) there are others who were Brexiters who feel very disappointed. Perhaps it's because some of their constituents have lost their livelihoods. Anyway, long thread, apologies. I'm interested if anyone else finds more politically neutral analyses on the economy. The FT is usually a very good source, being quite factual, evidenced by the quality and kind of dry journalistic language.

Still is today, the Premier League want former champions of Europe back in the league, Moss has his orders.

Scum will alays be scum, whether it's people that sell fake tickets, those that know their tickets are fake but still try to use them, those that had no tickets but still tried to get in. Liverpool have a history for a reason - they get to a lot of finals and it seems that every time there are those that try to beat the system - which causes problems for genuine ticket holders and fans and organisers. But it's never their fault......

By all means wait for the financial details, but looking at what Attanasio has done for the Milwaukee Brewers, he looks like he could well be an owner with a fundamentally similar ethos, just a financially higher-powered version of it - and it also looks like he took over the Brewers when they had an owner (the Seligs) who aimed to retire debt before he took over. That's what makes it intriguing from my perspective. He looks like he could be a potential owner who gets precisely what we were doing and has experience of pushing on from such a base. I do wonder what his motives were, and I do actually wonder how he became aware of us (if it turned out Webber or the Board were behind initial contact, it could be quite the feather in their caps!). But it's intrigue, not excitement at my end.

Just listened to the interview, talks a hell of a lot of sense, I for one am proud of our club on and off the pitch, Webber is doing a great job running the club as most supporters would have wanted. Finance is always gona be an issue, that's why the academy is vital. He gambled on signings in the close season, no doubt they had quality but as a lot of foreign players, didnt deliver on the pitch, not all Webbers fault. He talks about the fans, we need to get the atmosphere back, lm sure it will be next season if we are doing well. But to create atmosphere you need singing, new songs and plenty of them, not Ye Army or OTBC 20 times a game, pathetic effort. We need a Viera type next season, someone big and strong who can boss midfield, then lm sure we will be OK. If your a fan you like excitement at games, promotion is great let's keep achieving it, ld prefer to be a yo yo club rather than a boring Burnley or a skint Sheff Utd!

VAR was conceived and introduced to provide drama and on-sofa entertainment for the millions of neutrals around the world watching on TV. Its theatre, 'entertainment', football's equivalent of the ending of all of those garbage TV shows that end with "....and the winner of The Great Fry Up this week is...............(pause for tension)..................(pause for tension continues)..........(clips of contestants looking anguished).......Bert!!!" Howls from the sofa. "No way, no way was Bert the winner, his bacon was undercooked" (and) "Yes, it had to be Bert-his baked bean coverage was perfect" Football just does it in another way. "...it's going to VAR.......(pause for tension).....(pause for tension continues)......(clips of players from both teams looking frustrated)......(clips of fans of both clubs looking indignant/put upon).........foul.... PENALTY" "No way, no way did Toffolo get touched., it was a dive" (and) "Yes, it had to be a penalty-Toffolo was definitely brought down" Great for TV., Kills the game for everyone at the ground though. But hey, Sky et al want drama for their buck, so VAR doesn't only stay, it creeps into the Championship.

Of course it should go. It should be there to correct wrong decisions but they don't do it, so if you're a Huddersfield fan today you can't put it down to poor refereeing, instead you put it down to corruption, what else is left? You'd be more distraught as a Huddersfield fan knowing VAR was in place today than if it wasn't. You can't celebrate goals properly, it's a complete farce, the refereeing is inept and i've just heard Jon f*cking Moss is going to be Manager of PL refereeing, which tells you all you need to know. Closed club.

And let's not forget that every British man will now be able to stride up to the bar in his local pub and proudly declare "I'll have a PINT of your very best bitter Maureen!" and she will reply "The same as usual then, you pathetic old tw*at!".

Operation Save Big Purple Dog.

If I believed everything I read, it would believe you! 🤯 🤯 Have to weigh up the probabilities here a respected journalist, posting in his own name, who was actually there vs an anonymous internet poster who wasn't? Hmmmmm 🤔

Only a fool would denigrate Smith's input into the club when the club is in an infinitely better state now than it was at the start of her tenure.

Do **** off

A long thread by Rob Draper explaining it from his perspective in the crowd. I appreciate this won’t sit well with the “it’s Liverpool fans again ain’t it” narrative…

Or to put it at bit more politely.😂

I wasn't excited by Cullum, he always came across as a chancer, Delia & Michael made the correct decision as far as he was concerned.

If it’s felt he needs a loan then so be it but giving an option to buy would be negligent. id prefer us to keep him and try and get him firing in the champ.

I’m old enough to remember the excitement of fans when Peter Cullum (?) was about to buy the club…only he then didn’t. I am also old enough to remember the hype and excitement when a married couple were promising investment- only it never really happened. In both cases it seems, from the outside, as if talks got to an advanced stage but faltered when it became clear the present board wanting the money but would not relinquish conctrol. Of course we can discuss all day, and people will have different opinions, on whether Delia et al were protecting the club from chancers or holding it back because they struggle to let go. Fine it is water under the bridge in any case. But it does suggest we should not cheer too soon. This time feels different- not least because the owners are much older and the present model isn’t working - but it could all go South. my advice is put the bubbly in the fridge but don’t pop the cork until everything is signed, sealed and delivered

Except when it doesn't... I'm looking at you villa v Sheffield United...

I accept the first controversial decision could have been seen either way....... but the 2nd was a nailed-on penalty and I simply can't understand why VAR didn't look at it. Would be absolutely gutted if I was a Huddersfield fan

I think it was a simple case of it being Jon Moss' final game and the VAR officials didn't want to ruin his big day by questioning his decisions. Because that's how officials tend to think, they're just as important and famous as the football clubs and the fans and TV cameras are there to see them just as much as a game of football. It was HIS big day and they weren't about to spoil it by making him look silly because it was such an obviously poor decision, it was only a Championship game and he's PREMIER LEAGUE referee, they should be so lucky that they got to be a part of such a historic occasion as his final game. He probably thought I've played a blinder there catching that dive, one last show of how great I am before I retire. Hopefully he feels like a pillock when he watches it back.

Yep - hate it. Football is poetry not a science. It was the Beautiful Game long before VAR. Pele, Maradona, Best & Eadie didn't have it so why do we now? Put it in the bin immediately - goalline technology should've been the end point of bolting new mechanics on to a game we all loved way before VAR was even conceived.

They'll never get rid of it now. Sadly it's here to stay. Goal line tech was enough for me, it works every time, it's black or white. To think we used to moan about refs, VAR is the most corrupt thing they could have introduced into football. Too much money has been spent for them to scrap it now, and it won't be long until we have it in the lower leagues too.

I was beginning to think that I was back at school, being referenced by just my surname! 🤣🤣🤣

It’s usually the club badge

John Moss today

The truest quote by far! Bumbling Boris will be remembered as the biggest failure in British politics!

You beat me to it, nothing on the ncfc website or social media accounts, so was probably something said on the phone when being asked for a comment on the Archant story by an Anglia researcher. Whatever the situation be it, takeover or just an investment or just an enquiry, they are hardly likely to spill the beans until its done and dusted. This is a really interesting article by @GMF and worth a read https://norwichcity.myfootballwriter.com/2022/05/29/from-milwaukee-to-carrow-road-happy-days-ahead-maybe/

The Foulger family own circa 98,000 of the issued 617,000 shares.

Some random thoughts on this. It would be interesting to hear some Liverpool fans calling out those who assumed having a fake ticket guaranteed them entry at the expense of genuine ticket holders. Once that happens then maybe there'll be more sympathy, but we never hear those kind of voices. I accept that the policing was heavy handed. Unfortunately reputations had been made, intelligence of fake tickets was plentiful, the French police decided they would do something about it. In hindsight some form of pre-screening away from the turnstiles would have been better but why should even that be considered "normal", is that required for other clubs for instance? The authorities reduced the potential of storming of the turnstiles by corralling the fans into "queues" again as a tactic to stop what had been known tactics used in the past and for which there is evidence of it being attempted last night; it is disappointing to hear that this tactic was questioned by the fans - they know full well you can only go through a turnstiles legitimately one by one so some form of pre-queuing is perfectly legitimate. Social media was full of people boasting about their fake tickets beforehand. These fakes did not allow them to get through the automated turnstiles, which created the hold ups in the first place. I'm sure we've all been behind someone whose season card cannot be read at such turnstiles and knows how much of a hold up that causes. I'm not convinced there were thousands of such tickets, but it would only take tens of these to block those turnstiles, which added to arguments with officials would exacerbate the holdups. However to have relaxed the scrutiny of tickets would have led to what the non-ticket holding Liverpool fans expected to happen in the first place. It all comes back to them; perhaps the club could have done more to work with the authorities in advance to avoid such issues. Instead we have Klopp welcoming the presence of non-ticket bearing fans in the city, that was asking for trouble. The use of pepper spray in enclosed spaces was definitely unwarranted.

Actually, each and every one of them has been hundreds of millions of pounds that have gone back into developing the club,keeping it away from receivership, and strengthening the squad so we've achieved promotion back to the Premier League more and more frequently. Easy for nobodies like you to dismiss that from the sidelines.

She has as many promotions on her CV, plus a massive growth in the club's market value during her tenure.

It can be both things at once though, both parties can be to blame. Whilst it might certainly be the case that the organisation was poor and it’s bad management from the French authorities, whoever thinks that scaling fences, turning up with fake tickets and charging through gates is anywhere near acceptable behaviour, and didn’t contribute to a bad situation, needs to rethink. I think the problem for Liverpool is that whilst not all bad fan behaviour is caused by Liverpool fans, Liverpool fans seem to find themselves caught up in bad fan behaviour more often than not. The rush from the media to always try to protect and absolve them of blame only makes things worse - I’d have more sympathy with what happened last last night if they felt some responsibility for buying fake tickets and trying to charge into the ground.

Waiting for the video of Madrid fans with the same poor organisational issues…….

Poor policing? You can convince me poor stewarding? You can convince me bad organisation? You can convince me always them? Always.. them. ALWAYS them??? No its mathematics look back at the Athens match and they pulled exactly the same stunt, exactly the same excuses. it’s could be all the external forces like policing and whatnot but I tell you what it definitely is? The common factor here? Them.

Ssssshhhh!!! Don’t tell ‘em. 👍

The club have said stressed that any investment “would not lead to a change in the status of Delia Smith and Michael Wynn Jones as joint majority shareholders.” This makes me a little more pessimistic over the nature of what is being offered. Because anyone who is looking to invest heavily would almost certainly want overall control not just being a free income source for Smiths

When Banham Poultry went toes up Michael Foulger kept the farms, some for himself and some in trust for the family. I have heard a rumour that Michael's farms have gone bust - which might be possible given the current cost of feed - so his shares could be available.

It seems like a good tie up to me. I guess in the background we need to trust Micahel and Delia to manage the potential risk for the future.

The main thing that Farke basd his management syle around was togetherness and that no one player is bigger than the anyone else. It's the kind of management that Guardiola and Klopp use. Given our circumstances, Farke did fantastically at keeping that togetherness despite the odd egotistic behaviour of some of our players along the way. That he had trouble with players ocasionally is natural - especially ones he inherited like Oliveira. So he dealt with them - was holding no truck with their nonsense. So far from struggling with big egos - he was actually strong in dealing with them. Those that stepped out of line were dealt with. Last season he was strong with Cantwell - and Cantwell didn't respond and that is down to Cantwell, not Farke. Gilmour was unhappy - and even his home manager Tuchel told him to buckle down and fight for a place in the team. The bottom line is whether the manager has the authority to behave in a strong way and Farke had that up to this season - until Webber decided to pull the plug. Farke was consistent, strong and clear in what was expected of players. That some couldn't handle that was their fault, not his.

As it is Sunday one should be kind, DCB, so as far as that post is concerned best just to say that I have no intention of following your advice on the consumption of champagne.🍾

What we've also seen is how quickly fans take to a media story relating to investment. Further proving the point that all any potential billionaire owner had to do was tell the media they were interested and the board would suddenly be under pressure. The counter argument was that no one would bother because the club isn't "up for sale" But then these guys are potentially interested. So even that doesn't hold water.

I still treasure my memories of Atomic Kitten at the Millennium Stadium...

It's not their fault.

I thought it was interesting that Webber described our summer recruitment as "alright". There's only three explanations for this: 1) He's gone completely insane. 2) He thinks there's a possibility that the younger players he bought (Sargent, Rashica, Tzolis) can still come good. 3) He thinks that even if 2 is not true, it's not going to cause us financial problems. Tzolis going flies in the face of 2 and it does seem unlikely we'll get much of our investment back on him. I can see the logic in a loan to give him a fresh start, but surely you'd want to see how he develops. Very odd.

If he is unhappy in UK maybe selling even at a loss, but with a good sell on fee will work out well