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I see what you’re getting at, but a) it was Leeds and b) it was Bamford, so that counters any ridiculousness and makes it ok 👍

Our manager does not the credit he deserves, there are far too many fans are one bad performance from getting on his back. This is the best man manager we have had city for decades. His decision today was quite inspired and yes he maybe a touch fortunate it turned out so well, I was more impressed with his bravery for trying it. Willing to try something different. Yes like many last year I used to whinge and shout for subs earlier, but give him his dues he is a brave manager, and I for one hope he is city manager for many years to come!!

I see your Vrancic and I raise you Rupp.

Since I started this for your pleasure and enlightenment I feel justified in sharing a few post-election thoughts.🤓 As already said Trump is a crook who ran the country just as a crook would. He didn’t just flout established norms of behaviour but connived at law-breaking, allowing members of his family and his administration to get away with multiple breaches of the Hatch Act. He also kept in office members of the administration whose tenure had been ruled illegal by federal judges. This matters even though Trump is on his way out, because it has shown that the supposed safety checks and balances in the US Constitution, written by reasonable men on the assumption those who came after them would be reasonable and law-abiding, are totally inadequate in the face of a tinpot mobster. Biden has already said he will form a commission to look at possible reform of the Supreme Court, but Trump has done the US one favour, by demonstrating that there needs to be a much broader examination of the whole constitutional system, which was devised in the 18th century and is very badly showing its age. Not least whether there should still be an electoral college (which was a compromise afterthought in the first place) and if so whether it should now more closely reflect the population realities of the 21st century. Those who understand the complexities say it now means an electoral college vote from Wyoming is worth four of those from California. Another question is reform of the voting system, to get rid as much as possible of the absurd gerrymandering that goes on (by both parties although I think the Republicans overall win the prize) and the blatant voter-suppression by individual states where there is not even a pretence that this is anything but a Republican attempt to reduce the ability of black people to cast a ballot. Biden and Harris will be way too busy with much more immediate problems to spend time on this, but eventually some president will have to. As to Trump’s record, two specific points will do. The claim that he has brought peace to the Middle East is nonsense. The Iran nuclear deal was not perfect but by common consent had been working reasonably well. The US withdrawal has made the Middle East more dangerous, not less. And Trump’s various pro-Israeli moves, such as recognising Jerusalem as its capital, will do nothing to reduce the continued and potentially increasing repression of the Palestinian people, which is the original sin of that region. And then there is the pandemic, with Trump being responsible for making the death toll much worse than it might have been. To explain, all one has to do is quote Jared Kushner from a background interview he did with Bob Woodward way back in April, published recently in The Intelligencer, with a few of its explanatory comments. This will be lengthy, but worth it, because it shows how Trump cared more about re-election than people’s lives. On April 18, Kushner told Woodward that the White House’s guidance for states to reopen amid the surging COVID-19 outbreak was “almost like Trump getting the country back from the doctors. Right? In the sense that what he now did was, you know, he’s going to own the open-up. “That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while,” he told Woodward, suggesting that it was time for the country to move onto the “comeback phase” out of concern for the economy, prioritizing Trump’s re-election prospects over the advice of public-health experts. “We’ve now put out rules to get back to work. Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors. “The president also is very smart politically with the way he did that fight with the governors, to basically say, ‘No, no, no, no, I own the opening,’” Kushner explained in his April 18 interview. “Because again, the opening is going to be very popular. People want this country open. But if it opens in the wrong way, the question will be, did the governors follow the guidelines we set out or not?” While Kushner said Trump would own the economic message of the opening, individual states would bear the public-health burden and have to “own the testing. The federal government should not own the testing. And the federal government should not own kind of the rules.’’ Yes, well. Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings and idiots promoted by nepotism way beyond their abilities. That has to be taken in conjunction with Trump’s own admission in a separate interview with Woodward back in March that he knew perfectly well just how deadly the virus. And that he did indeed blame the state governors. He knew but publicly downplayed it as a hoax that would just go away very quickly. Not just a crook but an unspeakable human being, who sacrificed who knows how many tens of thousands of American lives on the altar of his pathetically narcissistic ego. Anyone else would be better, so Biden and Harris start with that advantage. How hard their job is may depend on whether the Republicans, assuming they still control the Senate, co-operate at least a bit. This may come down to individual senators, especially if the Democrats need only one or two Republican votes. Susan Collins of Maine, for one, might be willing to side with the good guys sometimes, particularly if this will be her last term, so she doesn't have to worry about being re-elected in six years' time. PS. There is a debate about whether Trumpism will go away even when Trump does, if he and the rest of his family do quit the political stage. For what it is worth, I think you cannot separate Trumpism from Trump and his particular personality and image. He is like a carnival barker or a charlatan revivalist preacher and only someone like that can inspire the blind devotion that he did, because the presentation is everything. The political message cannot have the required impact without the medium by which it is presented. You cannot imagine Nikki Haley, for example, or Tom Cotton, performing in that way. The words might be the same and the political policies almost certainly would be the same, but without the gut impact Trump managed, frighteningly, to instill in many millions of people.

Took his goal well yesterday, but most of the time he looks like he's trying to control a balloon. Has a role to play at this level, but not in the league above.

Tell you what... I'm actually enjoying Boris Johnsons apparent epiphany this week... I'm aware he's not to be trusted and that and he'll probably turn again before the brexit deadline but he was quick to congratulate Biden, on the blower with Rashford sorting starving kids out and promoting the great work done by the Oxford vaccine team... its really pissing off the racist, anti lockdown, all lives matter (apart from black ones), tin hat David Ike QAnon, 5g chinavirus, brexit party people he stole the vote off as well, actually beautiful seeing these **** combust with anger on twitter! Gonna be a very interesting few months ahead... just wish these racist trolls like our very own Jools would disappear back to the caves they dwelt from. They are the real virus

If we went around constantly worrying about all the possibilities life wouldn't be very pleasant at all. As an optimistic im going for the worst case scenario is that the new strain would be close enough to the original to make very little difference to the vaccine

Not enough leeway is given to young players who move to this country from abroad at a young age. Take Placheta. He's 22. Aged 22, I had just finished my studies and moved back to Norfolk. I'd just got my first proper job, was yet to move in with my girlfriend and was living with my Mum and Dad while we looked for a place to rent. I had passed my driving test, but couldn't afford a car. It was probably the first time I really felt like a "grown up". In among my friends is one person I could think of who at 22 would argue he was still very much enjoying his youth. Meanwhile, Placheta has upped sticks and moved 837 miles away to a new country. He's never lived abroad before. May not know the language. Moved at a time where Covid means he either drives home (a 16hr journey, FYI) or risks a flight. No clue how Poland are doing tackling COVID; from a quick look at the google statistics, not very well seems to be the answer! He has to learn the rigours of British football, try to adapt to a higher level of football and learn to gel with a new boss, new team and new surroundings. We are doing okay so far this year. Against Preston, when I had the chance to really study his movement and what he was doing, I thought he did okay. I think we can and should cut a young man who has made a brave, big change in his life at a time where brave, big changes are just that bit scarier than normal, a bit of slack.

Even worse turns out they were using them for an investment to make some money. We really do not need this woman ruining things. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/08/uks-coronavirus-vaccine-taskforce-chief-faces-questions-over-biotech-fund

Oh let them keep digging this hole even deeper Herman, it's all very amusing.

Maybe if you **** hadn't spent the last 4 years lying your arses off we may give you a bit of credence.

Stinks of lil ole Norwich, As someone not from the area its difficult to watch how 'happy clappy' our fan base are, As someone from Leeds, its even more difficult to see their swagger, despite the fact that they've been irrelevent to English footabll for circa 20 years. I wish we as a club would carry some arrogance, confidence and aggression. As a club we undoubtdly should be a estabilished Premier League club, who have a filiration with cup runs and Europa spots. I'm massively thankful to Delia but our ownership has held us back, for sure. Being a Leeds fan, I had hoped Stuart Webber would bring in a little bit of that 'f**k you' attitude but its clear hes happy to look after the numbers.

I think it’s really funny how the people alledgedly committing the fraud actually do a running commentary for the guy filming it. Only 4 leaders seem bothered about Trump losing, Russia, North Korea, Belarus and China, wonder why that is ?

I think I could have a go at proving he is giving RTB one.

Let’s get this straight before this goes any further... Ipswich Town are not a football club

I think the Tories are clever enough to pick someone who doesn't have blood on their hands. They won't pick Sunak and frankly there's not much left. I only had a few quid on Hunt because I don't see any alternative at the moment. They're definitely not going to leave Boris to argue with Starmer. I listen every Wednesday. It's a bit like listening to a commentary of Liverpool playing Dereham

Our defence is certainly different without Godfrey. Less pace and technical skill, but probably does the basics better. Despite the constant criticism by some of our fans, our defensive record this season is actually excellent and has improved since Godfrey left. We've conceded just five goals in eight games without Godfrey. We're no worse off without him and we're richer, so all in all, I think we can be pretty pleased with the business we've done.

344k tests 20572 - 156 7days ago 23254 14 days ago 19790 positives have declined by 2.5% over the past seven days. no doubling over over 7 , 14, 21 or even 28 days Inpatients 12949 the usual no update at weekends https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Yesterdays European. Italy 39811 - 425 France 86852 - 304 massive positives, comparitively few deaths. Spain no update Germany 17119 - 71

It’s been a real joy to see the quality young players we have brought through in recent years and it appears to be continuing. We are far from being the only club looking to adopt this model and it’s a competitive niche in the market but we seem to get it right with the lads we bring in more often than not. Well done Webber! Also a shout out for Skip who I thought had a good game yesterday and appears to have cemented his place, generally I would prefer to buy in our youngsters and develop them for our own benefit, but in this case I make an exception.😁

McClean 😂

Gibson will be straight back in for Zimbo when fit. We're not paying him to warm the bench, and a left foot right foot combo at centre back always works better. Agree Hanley has been immense this season.

This part. He demonstrably isn't an irrelevance and for politics to move forward he either needs to accept the defeat or be roundly condemned by those on his own side for his failure to do so. Respectful politics takes two to tango- Obama spoke about the importance of unity, reaching across the aisle, working together back in 2008. The Republican reaction was to feed into the idea that he was some form of dangerous radical and to block his every effort to try and govern. So you're right that Biden is doing the right thing and striking the right tone- but it can't be on him alone and right now Trump and his fans within the Republican party are standing in his way.

The OP looks rather more silly now after that Mumba cameo. Outstanding.

Indeed I still think he’s the best central defender we’ve got, but big shout out to Hanley yesterday was outstanding, his blocks and heading was excellent. If they carry on like that Gibson will have to be happy warming the bench. 👍

As I said after the Derby game, the reaction on here was stupid and football-blind. It was a complete fluke win for Derby that happens a couple of times a season at this level.

You completely ignored @horsefly response to your question explaining exactly why we should care. And yes, most want a different type of politics.But at the moment a bit of relieving joy is allowed.

I don't think 4 years of racism, lying, debauchery, the attempted destruction of democracy and general nastiness are going to be forgotten overnight. (There were swastikas freely flying in an American city for goodness sakes.) Give people a least a couple of days gloating before the mealy mouthed "we need to respect the losers" horse****.

He had an awful 80 minutes Hogs, no control misplace passing and just not in the game, but a crucial goal scored so credit there..but certainly without that goal was pretty bad performance. Time will tell if he can gain his form, let’s be honest lots of pressure on him to perform as we have a wealth of options in that position. Good to see options.

He had an awful 20 minute period in the second half where he couldn't hold the ball up, lost his first touch completely and couldn't pass 10 yards. I'm sure they must have been considering subbing him just before he scored that goal!

Statue of him pulling off one of his tradebook standard “triple backflip while making a hot chocolate and sanding down a coffee table” fingertip penalty saves outside Carrow road when?

Very naively the authorities controlling the game are under the misapprehension that it's possible to specify the rules of the game in a way which excludes the need for interpretation. So in this instance you are deemed offside if any part of your body is in front of the defenders at the time the ball is passed. But had those authorities even the briefest acquaintance with the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein they would know that there is no such thing as a rule that determines its own application separately from interpretation. Wittgenstein pointed out that the application of any rule can only be determined within the context of the practice in which it is applied. In other words, a judgement has to be made in a specific context whether a rule in that instance requires a particular course of action. The whole point of the offside rule is to prevent players gaining an advantage by standing beyond the defensive line. The game would be a poor spectacle if such behaviour was permitted. Thus, the application of the rule must be made in the context of achieving this particular good. And thus it becomes obvious to all but the brain-dead that Bamford's arm, Pukki's little finger, did not in any way whatsoever breach the good that the the offside rule was instituted to protect. The problem is not with VAR as such but with the idea that VAR can be used to determine the application of the rules of the game without interpretation. VAR is really nothing more than the opportunity to take advantage of a slow-motion replay in order to get decisions right. It does not prevent the need for a referee to interpret the rules. If only the footballing authorities understood Wittgenstein's fundamental point about rules and rule following then we might begin to use VAR in a way that enhances a referee's ability to interpret the rules of the game for the good(s) of the game.

It’s a great view from the championship watching it all burn Prediciton: Leeds go down and their fans never get to see a live premier league game.

Reaching out to Republican voters to start rebuilding our country is next week's job, but for now celebration; a crushing weight has been lifted off of America’s soul. https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1325238424673128450

Fantastic manager and even better man.

Never in my life time have I seen a man cause so much division between the people of the US. He didn’t accidentally cause this, he actively incited it, using his Twitter account in particular to encourage it. And when things flared up in various cities and towns causing riots and loss of LIFE, he did NOTHING to call for peace between his fellow countrymen. So right there is the definition of scum. I don’t mind being called scum for wanting the man dead, and don’t regret saying what I said. I am far from alone. He is a f***ing a**hole. I hope he gets popped for the pain and anguish he’s caused to innocent families in a country I still hold dear to my heart.

Martin looked quite lively in a couple of his cameos last season, and Mumba has only played 25 minutes for us. Let's not get too carried away just yet; they're both talented lads, and there will be plenty of ups and downs before we find out how good they truly are.

Watford being 2nd and us in 3rd is all fake news, lies and manipulation - Far as I'm aware we won 2nd!

Had the Swansea right back guessing every time, as he can go inside or out equally effectively. What a great gift to see in a player 🙂

This aged well!

Three's a charm🙃

This is some weak bait mate

Perhaps it's because we're playing Championship teams

Was good watching Zimbo pinging diagonal balls, especially more when Mumba came on.

Seriously, if it was based on the feet in contact with the ground, with clear daylight between the feet (i.e. no overlap or at least say 1cm clear space) before a call for offside it would retain the benefit of doubt being given to the striker as implied by the spirit of the law. Surely that cannot be too controversial to implement?

He did well overall but got his body shape wrong for one of the Swans attacks and ended up miles away from the lad running through who luckily shot straight at Krul. I think Gibson and Hanley is our first choice partnership at the moment although probably not a huge amount of difference between Hanley and Zimbo.

“Some...Where... O-ver the rainbow ...we’ll be Leeds”

Nearly as bad as when no body part of Pukki was offside and Tottenham still got the decision!

Probably when he didn't have the players on the bench to make the difference? Or it could also be that a young manager, who already won a league title in pretty much miraculous conditions, is learning and improving?

......and they'll be in the hat for R2 ..........unlike our chums down the road 🤣

Some potential answers to some of the questions noted above. Please don't snap my head off. - R.e. key management compensation, see note 28 (p42). c.£4.4m for 2020; c.£2.7m for 2019 - I presume this relates to Webber & Co. (and Farke?). A substantial increase, even accounting for 13 month period in 2020 (though I'm not sure the 2019 above was the 'full cost', maybe the director remuneration, £480k (note 8, p31), should be added for fairer comparison). - R.e. the preference dividend, cashflow statement (p18) shows that as paid (£65k). I suspect the text saying otherwise is "boilerplate" which was never corrected. - R.e. the "short term loan", I think this is the assignment of premier league media income to Barclays that the club entered into in 2019 (see note 18, p36). The assignment and charge can be seen in Companies House (dates: 17 May 2019 and 29 October 2019). The question of whether it is necessary is more difficult. These arrangements are quite common - Macquarie are the leaders in this niche field - many other clubs utilise these arrangements for managing cash flow and working capital. Was it necessary for Norwich at the time? I don't know, though I recall we've had difficulty managing working capital over the past few years. In retrospect, the interest cost (5.2%) now seems quite high given we sit on £40m of cash, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. - R.e. the KPI on player wages - agree with Purple et. al. Very disappointing to see it dropped. It limits comparability between Norwich and other clubs and, more importantly, to assess whether the cost of maintaining the current playing squad is sustainable. - R.e. the contingent liabilities on promotion, these amount to £36.6m + £7.9m = £44.5m (note 25, p44). This compares to c.£30.6m + £2.6m = £33.2m last time around (based on these accounts - which is consistent with my recollection as well). Some thoughts: (i) not all the conditions might be met, so that jump in amount may not actually be realised; (ii) we have a much larger playing squad than before and many of the first teamers will be on much improved contracts compared to last time; (iii) we have invested a significant amount in players this season compared to prior to the last championship season (£4.6m of potential further payments on Dowell, Hugill, Skipp, Quintilla and Gibson - note 30). So overall, the increase doesn't seem unreasonable, though I'd caution the club to monitor this cost carefully and ensure it does not escalate too much. - R.e. cash and tax, the club has c. £44.4m in cash at 31 July 2020 (p18), but owed "Other taxes and social security" of c.£29.1m (note 18, p36). I imagine most of this is VAT, particularly on season tickets sold (see tax owed of £4.6m in previous year). If my hypothesis is correct, the shift in period end, means that it 'captures' the VAT quarterly cycle differently and (presuming the club pays on account quarterly) a significant portion of the cash balance will have been used to pay the tax bill owed. Otherwise, see what Shef Canary, Dylan and Purple (and others have all said) on the main issues. Overall, I'm encouraged by the financial performance of the club. Though I would suggest keeping a close eye on managing wage costs. As we all know, these things only tend to go up and once up don't come down without great overhaul. Happy to answer any questions - though please don't bite my head off.