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Back in stadiums by autumn, back in lockdown in early winter. It's a stupid idea from a stupid PM.

I'm not going to lie, I get proper angry when watching us lose and don't talk a great deal of sense in the immediate aftermath (there's probably some evidence on here of that) but once I've had an hour or two to get over it, I'm fine and generally start to love the club again. And focus on what's actually important to me which is basically that the club continues to exist. So that there remains something for me to support and go to games and enjoy pre-match pub visits. The second most important thing is that the club remains something I can respect, that we don't end up owned by some human-rights abusing monsters or mistreating its supporters (and I'll concede, they've pushed me on that side of things over the years). If those two things are satisfied, I'll remain a supporter and will enjoy being a supporter, regardless of how we're performing. Next on the lists are the dreams, wants and nice-to-haves. What league we're in fits into this category. I'd love for us to be in the Prem, I'd love even more for us to win silverware of some description and enjoy a campaign in Europe. If these dreams aren't fulfilled or the wants don't come to be, oh well. Some of you guys on here seem to not actually like being a supporter of Norwich at all, unless we're comfortably in the Premier League, and as we've only finished outside of a relegation spot in the Premier League twice in the last 15 years then you guys must be having a pretty miserable time. And there are others of you who only actually seem to have a good time when we're failing. I don't get that at all.

It doesn't matter if home, away or third- What have been your favourites? As for me, I always loved the look of our 97 home kit. Sure, some will argue it had too little green which I do agree, and yes it was rather baggy.. but I still think it looked good for trying something different. As for the away kit.. loved our 2004 away kit, easily one of our best away kits in some time and do wish we might try and replicate it sometime. Plus it being an away kit Huckerby often worn at the start of his career with us might help it's image..

I’m going to be brave and say that I think Drmic will get 15 goals for us next season if he stays. I agree with the majority of posters on here that he hasn’t looked great, especially since the restart but as a team we’ve been pretty awful in that period and pretty much permanently on the back foot. I think it would be hard for any isolated striker to look too good. To me he looks like a type of player who is quite aware in and around the box. I therefore believe as long as we are competitive and playing on the front foot next season, I think he will get a lot of them ugly follow them in type goals. it is pretty difficult to guess the shape and set up of the team at the moment and I would be surprised to see him leave but if he stays I’ll have a £20 charity bet that he gets 15.

I still trust the manager, the manager that won the Championship, to make the right calls. I’m backing his opinion over posters on here.

You've forgot the major benefit. Every country eventually needs a wake up / get real call and Brexit will do that. It will teach a very harsh lesson (as it is already) in geopolitics and the UK's true position as a comparatively isolated minnow in the new world order. Easy to pick off. It will be the kick up the backside that many of the Brexiters clearly need (Minford excepted - he told it how it was / will be) to compete in the real world - not their fantasies that somehow because we're British makes us entitled or that nothing will actually change. Now they will all have to compete on price and quality with emerging world or go elsewhere.

I, for one, am a busy person, so to save time I will start an exchange with Bill which will rapidly descend into mutual slagging off and name calling ( on my part) before it is removed from the messageboard. This way any newcomer to the topic won't have to trawl through several pages to get up to speed.

That’s just not true though - those in the game know the value of PL experience and how well some performed at times and this is what will drive the price; that we’ve not managed to stay the course is obviously disappointing but last summer few expected us to survive so it’s not the world’s biggest shocker. Up to lockdown we were being lauded as the ‘best ever team to be bottom’, and it’s only since the return that we’ve looked like a bottom side. It does seem a lot of our supporters have short memories.

A damning comment on the sheer stupidity of brexit from the Financial Times Politicians like me,” Mr Gove said in his Ditchley annual lecture last month, “must take responsibility for the effect of their actions and the consequences of their announcements.” It’s an interesting idea, and I wonder what it means in practice. Let’s imagine a group of politicians — call them Vote Leave — promise we can leave the EU and still have “free trade with minimal bureaucracy”. Let’s imagine that, four years later, the government builds a 27-acre lorry park in Kent, for customs checks after the Brexit transition period ends in January. Let’s imagine the government estimates that customs declarations alone will cost companies £7bn a year. That's £135m a week. This is minimal bureaucracy in the same way that Britain has a minimal coronavirus death toll. What was it Mr Gove said? “Politicians like me must take responsibility.” Yet, when asked about Brexit preparations last Sunday, he replied: “Some of the criticism has come — how can I put this? — there’s an element of Captain Hindsight.” Actually, it was Captain Foresight. Nearly every expert predicted that leaving the single market and the customs union would require regulatory barriers and restrictions on travel. Brexiters like Mr Gove obfuscated. This week reality could be avoided no longer. The government advised people travelling to the EU next year to buy insurance, check roaming charges, and see a vet four months in advance if they want to take their pet. It also published a 206-page guide for trading goods. As the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank puts it: “In almost all cases, Brexit will create additional financial or other cost burdens for [manufacturing] companies: tariffs, customs declarations, certification costs, audits to ensure rules of origin compliance, loss of collaboration opportunities in R&D, border delays, EU customers switching to other suppliers, visa costs for EU workers, and so on.” This isn’t Brussels red tape. It’s our own independent, world-beating red tape, which we have chosen to tie ourselves in, like a middle-aged man with a new-found leather fetish. Just months ago, Mr Gove and Boris Johnson were promising no checks on goods between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. Now they admit that there will be checks, at least one way. Why does the prime minister's Latin never extend to the words mea culpa? Dominic Cummings, strategist of Vote Leave and now Mr Johnson’s chief adviser, likes to recommend Philip Tetlock’s Superforecasting. I wonder if he’s read it. The book describes a taxpayer-funded contest where people are judged by their ability to predict world events. Since the Brexit campaign, the UK has run its own version. Leavers predicted that the laws of economics, geography and the EU would all change. Trade experts laughed. Leavers also predicted a trade deal with China, Turkish membership of the EU, and no rise in support for Scottish independence. Any news? “Failures of policy and judgment have put previously existing elites in the dock,” Mr Gove said in his Ditchley speech. Enough of blaming yesterday’s politicians. Warwick University researchers have concluded that areas that voted Leave, notably the West Midlands, have suffered the biggest economic hit since the Brexit vote. Who should residents hold responsible? I super-forecast this: in a year, Leavers still won’t have taken responsibility for the damage. “If you beat your head against the wall, it is your head that breaks and not the wall,” said Gramsci. Brexiters have spent four years beating their head against the wall and it is still standing — right next to the lorry park." And when the governments own figures which are now looking quite disturbing regarding the effect it will have on UK industry, you can be sure they are not telling the full story. "Nearly every expert predicted that leaving the single market and the customs union would require regulatory barriers and restrictions on travel. " But, brexiteers, like their half witted cousins in the US who contracted and died of the virus because they believed people like Trump who told them it was a hoax, are now facing their reckoning, as " areas that voted Leave, notably the West Midlands, have suffered the biggest economic hit since the Brexit vote." And it won't be the well paid who will suffer most, but those at the bottom end of the pay scale. Those who thought voting forb the people who had caused their problems ........................ was the answer 😟

We do have another defensive midfielder on the books...one who would excel in that position but has been mis-deployed as a centre half in a weak defence for 2 seasons Not that I expect Godfrey to be around next season as I suspect his agent Rio Fedinand will tout him around in the summer...but if he were,he could be one of the most dominant defensive midfielders in the championship

No, Grealish. Leeds will want Grealish.... Leeds you want Grealish .... Leeds you need Grealish.

On the basis that you can get in our team on a regular basis because you can run long distances perhaps we should sign Mo Farah and Paula Radcliffe.

Several of our foreign players massively upped their game from their first season to their second once they had settled in to the club and our country, I remember Zimmermann, Stiepermann and Vrancic off the top of my head getting grief on here and being declared not good enough blah blah blah. Therefore it’s surprising that nobody seems willing to entertain the idea that these players might do the same and would rather write them off already.

I also think our views on Johnson are clouded by that one crazy season he had mostly on the left of midfield. As an overall player Kenny is better. And as for tackles and interceptions, Kenny has made just as many in the Prem as Bradders has in che championship this season.

Bradley Johnson couldn’t pass though. The £7.5m Norwich got for him was one of the best bits of business ever managed by the club. I’d take Kenny over Johnson every day of the week.

It isn't about the EPL, its about clubs trying to live within their means. There has to be a reckoning for all sport not just football but as we all support NCFC, we should be looking for the game at our level to be financially managed obviously including selling on home grown players. Your team should not be good just because of the wealth of your owner, especially ones not resident in the UK.

Insect lovers will like this creature, the Giant Wood Wasp.One was flying around me today. It freaked me out when I first saw one a few years ago but after some research found out they were harmless.

16 deaths in English hospitals today. Most of the rest are back dated revisions as far back as April.

All three players he stood up for have contracts here next year so obviously he's going to defend them. Hardly likely to throw a player under the bus to appease the fans right now.

The accounts for all the clubs can be found online just look up their financial statements. Most clubs don't detail their wages as a separate item although Swansea do at £43 M odd as Ice-cream Snow notes on a turnover of £68m. Swansea made a £30m profit on player trading a £34m annual loss and have a net worth of £11m. Stoke have a £15m loss on t/o of £70m with a profit of £18m on player trading although their balance sheet shows £66m negative. Middlesborough show a £2m profit on £55m t/o with a £33m profit on player trading and a £55m negative balance sheet value. The profits shown on player trading are slightly skewed in most sets of accounts as many clubs don't report trading in the same way as each other so a like for like comparison is difficult as some include amortization of their player contract values in this number. For those of a non financial disposition the conclusion is that running a football club is a Sh*t business to be in. The only people getting rich are the players. Most EFL clubs are deeply in the hole and making losses. A salary cap isn't a bad idea for the sake of the future of football. However it is difficult to agree on a fair way to do it. If we have cash in the bank developing the ground might be the best move we can make in terms of securing better future revenues- assuming we can fill the seats. However it is also clear that developing players is a key revenue stream and perhaps the most important part of the business.

Oh....and don't ever, ever dare sit in a Club Cabbage regular's seat.....

Anyone see this during the lockdown? Heartwarming.

Grealish has the ability to be superb but his intent on falling over at every given opportunity is devaluing his ability. He goes down way to easily, he's always looking for a touch and that's why most people don't really rate him that highly. Ironically he'd be a much better player if he stopped all of that and just looked to use his talent by getting an end result, which has very capable of doing.

Southampton have made profits for several years (6 out of 7 from memory). The higher wages are paid for by player sales not owners contributions - Southampton FC subsidise the billionaire owner, not the other way round! Looking at the accounts below they made profits on player sales of £111 million in the two seasons mentioned. Wages to turnover 62% and 74%.

I actually rather like our red away kit from this season, but always have a soft spot for the Hummel kits, my favourite being the Fosters one with green sleeves. It evokes good memories, the likes of Dale Gordon and Kevin Drinkell at the top of their game.

A lot of us oldies won’t set foot in the place for quire a while

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I see no evidence of a seasonal effect in the worldometer data therefore the panic over another wave in the winter seems a little overblown. There will no doubt be the odd outbreak here and there but it largely seems to have run its course.

****... I did completely fall into this one. numpty (me!!) 😂

That is such an obvious p*ss take you’ve fallen for there.

Likewise, couldn’t care less. As long as we come back stronger than 22 others, that’ll do. Preferably 23 before anyone decides that aiming for top two lacks ambition..

The circular argument will go on forever Kenny. You put faith in money, I put faith in people. It's entirely possible that we have opposite world views that cannot be reconciled. Anyway, good post buddy👍

PS. Nutty, my pick is Kordrengir.

Ah the delusion that he's a midfielder. When he's sold let's see where he plays. You'll come one here and aplogise when you're wrong yeah

Kenny and Bradley also made exactly the same amount of tackles per match in their respective promotion seasons. Johnson had one stand out season for Norwich but on the whole is an average Championship player. Kenny is a much better footballer and certainly isn’t weak. But I do understand the love for Johnson due to the one anomalous season he had but has never managed to get anywhere near again.

Got to disagree there, how many goals in did Bradley get in that promotion winning team? He deserved better when the end came at Norwich.

Well done Leeds. Can't begrudge you your chance in the top league.

That’s what you hope, anyway,

Congratulations Leeds! Been a long time coming! Think the title of this needs to change to wBA ARE THROWING IT AWAY AGAIN

It is my instrument of choice. The bass that is.

Not sure how many times I’ve seen your posts, several I’m sure, but I’ve only just realised your username is Thumb-bass, not Thumb-****. It says something about the way my mind works probably. 😳 Too many years reading Viz or something. ☹️ But yes, the “big” club that is Villa failing miserably despite all that hinvestment is just about the best consolation this season. Leeds choking would have been nice, hopefully next season will be a damp squib for them and we will pass them on the way up again.

Our Todd's got fluctuating hair styles, wears alternative Alice bands, occasionally wears gloves and also has a lovely skin tone....Oh, and he's a proper young hipster and trendsetter with some great dance moves, and young Todd communicates with a non-Norfolk mockneyish twang of an accent ....Top Lad.....and takes a tackle, dusts himself down and gets on with it..... Villa's Grealish has a 2nd World War schoolboy evacuees haircut, wears ickle footy socks and under 12's shin pads, sports a bisto tan and has an awful black country drawl....Oh, and he drives motors in the early morn like he's on the fairground dodgems.....Brummy Bad Boy.....and is a footy fall-e-down faker when brushed with a feather...... It'll be our Todd for me, any day......

Southampton have benefited from having a really good youth set up I would suggest this is the direction we are heading, with the ability to sig promising young players who are a bit further along in their development... as with Maddison and Buendia Shame some still seem unable to grasp what the club is working towards

I wouldn't want Grealish here. He is an embarrassment and cheat.

No senior players, I think a few younger ones have already been release.

I thought we did but they were just the shy, retiring type billionaires that get seen off at the door?

If West Ham and Watford draw tomorrow then Villa or Bournemouth would need to take six points from last two games. Seems unlikely looking at the fixtures.

With regards to the article, it's pretty clear that the owners do not have the money that you need to succeed in the premiership. If you look at the owners of the premiership, they have vast amounts of cash which they spend on their clubs, mainly on players. The best players win games and cost money. Therefore, the current ownership and model will mean we will never be a established premiership side unless finance rules change. That is not to say it is right or that our owners are bad! It's a simple statement of fact. So, accepting this, you follow the club knowing we will spend most of it in the championship, and the odd depressing season in the top flight. We will continue to fall behind those clubs in the premiership. For example, 5 to 10 years ago we were as big or bigger than Wolves and Leicester but we are miles away from them now. It will only change if a) finance rules change b) all of the billionaires in the world go bust c) we attract one of the said billionaires (a premiership franchise is a very appealing to very rich people or are you saying a Russian billionaire fell in love with Bournemouth). I understand money is not guaranteed success (Fulham... Probably Bournemouth) but a lack of money 100% means premiership failure. It's just facts. Without investment you will not succeed (be competitive) in the top flight. So your view of the club is determined by where you see the potential of the club. If you like a model that has to sell to get working capital and will not borrow on its assets for fear of ruining the future, then the current owners are the ones for you but you will never be more than a top 26 club. If that is depressing then it's because you see the club as having more potential. OTBC

A load of tendentious tosh.

I hope they go up... Good club