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No offence to Til, but I think two hands is optimistic!

People looking to avoid their own personal responsibility will use the Cummings excuse. He has sadly provided an excuse, but not a reason.

To be honest Herman, whilst I agree with the first part of that statement, anybody who claims they thought it was OK to go outside and/or ignore social distancing guidlines because Cummings did is all pretty pathetic. This line about saying he did it so I can do it is ridiculous. Yes he set a terrible example and yes I said along with others that he should resign or be sacked, but anybody who is prepared to risk catching a virus that might kill them because Cummings did something is beyond stupid.

Problem is, Bill, I don’t think you can prearrange injuries

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/07/exclusive-tottenham-norwich-play-friendly-ahead-season-restart/ Apologies if this has already been posted.

Presumably why they have also been training at Carrow Road

There will be a similar thread started, round about Wednesday, if true to form.

No new deaths reported in Scotland and Northern Ireland, 77 in England and Wales. Yes its a Sunday, personal tragedy for all concerned, but encouraging.

😂🤣😂🤣 I don't imagine you've had much success at playing poker, or any other card game for that matter 😂🤣😂🤣 You might not understand what 'holds all the cards mean' or its significance in trade negotiations but the EU and the US have some of the best and most experienced trade negotiators in the world and they know exactly what it means and how to make best use of it for the benefit of their own country(s) - that is what they're paid to do after all. By contrast the UK has extremely limited current experience of trade negotiations, and we have a team lead by total incompetents - we will roll over again and take whatever is offered (or nothing at all), exactly as Theresa May did over her withdrawal agreement and then Johnson did after unbelievably and stupidly managing to make TM's bad deal even worse.

“ F*** VAR “ on a loop should suffice. 😀

The bbc begin to catch up with the news, but more importantly AstraZeneca confirm they are now manufacturing the vaccine just in case it works, with the financial risks this carries. Drug company AstraZeneca is to start producing a potential vaccine for coronavirus, its boss has told the BBC. Trials of the drug are under way but Pascal Soriot said the firm must start making doses now so that it can meet demand if the vaccine proves effective. "We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now - and we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine. Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, Mr Soriot said manufacturing was beginning already because, "we want to be as fast as possible". "Of course, with this decision comes a risk but it's a financial risk and that financial risk is the vaccine doesn't work," he added. "Then all the materials, all the vaccines, we've manufactured will be wasted." Drugs firm prepares to supply vaccine in September Virus vaccine 'could be ready by end of the year' The Bill Gates ‘microchip’ claim fact-checked He said AstraZeneca would not seek to make a profit from producing the drug during the pandemic. If it works, the company will be able to produce two billion doses after signing two new contracts on Thursday, one of which was with billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates. AstraZeneca, which is developing the vaccine with scientists at Oxford University, has agreed to supply half of the doses to low and middle-income countries. One of the new partnerships is with the Serum Institute of India (SII), the world's largest manufacturer of vaccines by volume. The other is a $750m (£595m) deal with two health organisations backed by Bill and Melinda Gates. A SIMPLE GUIDE: How do I protect myself? AVOIDING CONTACT: The rules on self-isolation and exercise WHAT WE DON'T KNOW How to understand the death toll TESTING: Can I get tested for coronavirus? LOOK-UP TOOL: Check cases in your area The two charities, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) and GAVI vaccines alliance, will help find production facilities to produce and distribute 300 million doses of the vaccine. Delivery is expected to start by the end of the year. Mr Soriot has said he expects to know by August if the AZD1222 vaccine is effective, while CEPI chief executive Richard Hatchett said there is still a possibility the vaccine may not work. AstraZeneca's licensing agreement with India's SII is to supply one billion doses for low and middle-income countries, with a commitment to provide 400 million before the end of 2020. Mr Soirot said the company was building a number of supply chains across the world "to support global access at no profit during the pandemic and has so far secured manufacturing capacity for two billion doses of the vaccine". "Having a vaccine is one thing but you need to produce it at scale and I can tell you that It is not an easy thing to do," the pharmaceutical boss told Today. He has described the coronavirus pandemic as "a global tragedy" and "a challenge for all of humanity". AstraZeneca has already agreed to supply 300 million doses of the potential vaccine to the US and a further 100 million to the UK, with the first deliveries expected in September. Governments around the world have pledged billions of dollars for a Covid-19 vaccine and a number of pharmaceutical firms are in a race to develop and test potential drugs. "A vaccine must be seen as a global public good - a people's vaccine, which a growing number of world leaders are calling for," United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres said in a video message on Thursday.

I don't disagree with what you have said, but having been the victim of a violent gang mugging which left me afraid to leave the house at night time for several years... I'll reserve my sympathy for the kids (article says they were younger) who were threatened with violence by this gang. Good words by Darren Huckerby though.

You’re !!

It may be all quiet on the eastern front but there are plenty of mutterings of discontent among the pitchfork wielding natives. The aged X Scuse has expressed the disappointment of all the players - that if the season ends by points per game, then the club will finish in its lowest position for 67 years. A year in which George VI, died, Everest was conquered and Ricardo celebrated his 21st birthday Meanwhile much needed ground repairs at poorman road have been completed ready for the new season

So if you’re anti-racist you’re left wing. That means that if you’re right wing you’re racist then? Glad we finally got an admission from you.

Art imitating life!😂

Is 14 Battleship Potemkin? 🤣

That's the synopsis for 'Carry On, follow that Camel'.

I've obviously got it wrong but I thought it was something to do with having to hide away in the French Foreign Legion because of a 'mix-up' over forged world war two petrol coupons...

Self praise is no praise Bill. Perhaps wait for someone else to call it clever.

The more I read of this thread, the more I believe that people should have to pass an intelligence test before they’re allowed to vote 😳😳😳

Yeah, Cheers Squito , I appreciate all that you have written. And I figured it was crossed wires in that Spaghetti junction of wiring in his head. My long gone Father was an encyclopedia of one liners for life.... such as " the man who never made a mistake, never made anything " ...and..." it takes a bigger man to apologise than it does to ignore his own errors". Although they are a simplistic view on things ,they are useful guide to decent behaviour.

Totally agree. It's amazing how he plays the chords in different places to give an imbalanced vibe about it. This is also worth a watch... showing either that 'classical' composers were the pop stars of their day (which I think they were) or a lack of imagination today (though I think art often borrows ideas so it's fine). Anyway I found it a fascinating 19 minutes ( excusing the advert!).

There was also one on Eric Clapton last night if you are interested in him. BBC.

I dont think strike is the right word. They have stepped down from riot duty but are not refusing to do other things as far as I know. I don't think their motivation has been published. It might be that they have stepped down in solidarity for a colleague that was doing his best in a difficult situation. It might also be that they are disgusted with him. Probably as likely as any other reason is that they dont think it's worth the risk. They've seen that they can't win and want a nice desk job instead.

I understood your point and I don't think we are at odds.... I was saying that if something gets to you and offends, you can often do something. Marching and protesting often makes people feel better. Yet you can do practical things like establishing a project or a programme, you can create a funding opportunity, you can donate, volunteer, give your time etc. It's like the star fish story. Sometimes helping or supporting just one person is worth it. Protests are symbolic aren't they. It may well be that at some point it becomes a turning point. So, sometimes, events take on a deeper meaning. They change a culture, change government policy. At a local level though, lots can be done. Less talking and shouting, more doing. In terms of C19 there are better times to protest. Somehow it just keeps reminding me people less care now about social distance.

my comment applied to all negoyiations, therefore it was as relevant to the US as all others and you have not been able to put up anything that suggests you have the slightest idea of what the UK's position will be once the transition period is over in fact, I would suggest your grasp of this whole subject is akin to Alan Partridge trying to come up with ideas for new TV shows - just random old bollox that has no bearing on the reality of the situation whatsoever

On the basis the average age of death is into the eighties, even then many have underlying health conditions, and we know that places like care homes, cruise ships, prisons etc. spread this, I’d be very surprised if it was only fifteen per cent from care homes. Sixty per cent sounds more realistic. No doubt government policy will be picked apart, but trying to take a positive from it, if that many deaths have been in care homes, then hopefully it ought to be easier to contain and manage and try to avoid moving forward. We can focus efforts on “pockets” like care homes and other vulnerable people/institutions, with hopefully fairly minimal risk to everyone else getting back to close to “normal”. If it was 80 or 90 per cent from the community then it would be much harder to control, manage and avoid.

Like that odious pic of the WWI commonwealth war grave that you posted defaced with far right hate speech and a neo na zi logo and as an ex serviceman you did not even know why that pic was in the news either

Yeah, some of us choose to have real relationships with people rather than Instagram fantasies.

But did you not once tell us that "they need us more than we need them'' which would suggest that if such an imbalance (we hold all the cards) existed, then one side (us)would get the better of any deal given that once completely out of the EU we will have no trade deals with our major trading partners which side will we be ? "they need us more than we need them''

That article has kind of ruined my extended breakfast!

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Whilst this is a great save I always struggle with the claims for this being 'The Greatest Save Ever'™. Perhaps it's just the camera work doesn't do it justice, but I've seen other saves that I would rank as highly... Is it just that this was against Pele? He would obviously say that it was a save against him that was the greatest ever...

you really haven't the slightest idea about this at all have you ? that is not intended as an insult - it is the bare facts of it once the transition period is up, the UK is no longer trading through the 60 odd EU trading deals, and is then on it's own ie WTO that is no more a prediction than if City are relegated we are no longer in the PL, but are in the Championship you have been posting lies and nonsense for four years - and yet still have not grasped this truth so tell us all, once outside the EU will the UK be trading under WTO rules yes or no ?

Can’t comment on Ricardo, but the other two were in different years!

Absolutely right MP - but foot down time is (i think) best left until after lock-down. In our viewing habits we are 5 individuals rather than a family - gone are the days when we gathered around a single telly and had to get up to change to the only other channel. Unfortunately my children's peers are, in the main, from privileged backgrounds and that tends to set the benchmark for their expectations rather than anything I may wish to impose upon them. It is very different from my experience when I was their age and when I had considerably less than they do.

It will be like the canned laughter in one of those unfunny comedy shows on the tellybox.

Well that makes two of us so thats a start. As for the Corona Virus issues, mass gatherings are not a good idea atm.

Something for Daniel and 'the group' to work on in traynin.

I've swigged some $hite in my time - but no way am I gonna drink a litre of unleaded.....as cheap as it is at the mo'.....

I will watch but it will be strange without the bloke in front of me constantly turning round and telling me to shut the fcuk up

Although I have every sympathy with George Floyd I watched in horror last night as there was a service where the hall was full and only about 50% were wearing masks. It looked inevitable to me that many of those will get infected.

Maybe we'll leave that quote to the forum Mods.....?

The people who you should be feeling sorry for are the victims. While I couldn't condone it, I can maybe understand why someone poor or from a rough background might end up robbing people because they are desperate and have limited support; maybe if they're a drug addict or have mental health problems etc. However, it is the worst kind of low when someone from a millionaire family, brought up in the most privileged circumstances, decides to threaten and rob people just for fun. Obviously it's awful for the parents but it's also a pretty poor reflection on them to have failed to instil an effective moral compass in their child. My only hope is that the kids will have learnt their lesson and will never behave like that again after they serve their time.

Not a joke but in one of the Hitchhikers' books there is this story about a planet where the inhabitants who do useful and creative jobs decide to get rid of all the useless workers, such as hairdressers and telephone sanitisers. So they pretend civilisation-ending doom is about to befall the planet and load all the useless lot into a spaceship, saying everyone else will follow later. Of course they never do. And the sting in the tale is that all those who stay behind, the useful and the creative, end up getting wiped out by a virulent plague caught from a dirty unsanitised telephone...