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He raised a good point though.. Not really. All he did was rubbish the club's ethos out of hand, saying it was a lie we are self funded - but we are......we don't have anyone pumping money in and any money we do get is all earned through what the club does itself in the course of it's business. You can count parachute payments in that because if we hadn't been so successful on the pitch, we would not be in the position to get that payment if we go down. Then he said our policy was as unscrupulous as the big clubs who rely on billionares....really? And finally said he wanted a club to be proud of and was that too much to ask for, as if he didn't think he had that now. Someone that sour at our club given we had the best season any of us can remember last season and can't understand the policy the club has looking forwards, without twisting it beyond reason, has real issues, or really just out to dis the club for the sake of it.

A loan back you say?! 😀

What you’re really asking is: ‘What’s it all about, Ralfie?’

You're going to have to get used to this. The PFA has started a best-director award for Instagrams. Fahrmann is plainly going for a moodily crepuscular style based on the German Expressionist films of the 1920s, but apparently faces stiff competition from Mrs Vardy with a more Benny Hill-inspired poster-colour view of footballers' wives and their knockabout lives, complete with annoyingly 'fun' music. A dark-horse entry to keep an eye on is from the entire Ipswich Town squad, of a ravaged post-apocalyptic landscape, devoid of people.

You have not responded since. I am not trying to be pedantic - it is an important point. Nobody would be happier than I if we had a genuine billionaire fan prepared to invest hundreds of millions into the club - or alternatively a Sheikh (or even an oligarch) etc. However fans, naively imo, talk about "investors putting money into the club." Where are the examples of this? Where has it had a transformative effect? The "investor model" that fans claim they want is a busted flush; it doesn't work for the fans in the long-term, although the investors occasionally do ok (e.g. Sullivan and Gold @ Birmingham). If you don't agree with this, you should provide examples of where it has. I predict that there are far more examples of where it has failed. What fans want is what they have always wanted - someone to give the club money. When I was young, it was tens of thousands: today it requires hundreds of millions - it is why the "donor model," although attractive, is unlikely. This leaves us with building slowly and steadily as our best chance of regular Premier League football and the odd cup. If you disagree with my analysis, you really should be able to identify a number of examples where it has worked for clubs over the long term.

Leicester or Wolves or Sheffield United. I used to want to be Bournemouth or Stoke or Huddersfield. To be honest, I might still want to be Bournemouth. There’s a long way to go.

Ryan Sessegnon was part of a pretty crap Fulham team and was in and out of the team but still went for £25m. Teams looking at Aarons and Godfrey will be looking at their potential. Godfrey is an excellent ball-playing central defender who counts as homegrown. Teams will look at those skills and think surrounded by better team mates in a team that plays more on the front foot that he'll flourish. Similarly Aarons is in a lot of ways the perfect modern fullback- fast, comfortable on the ball, able to attack. Teams higher up the league with stronger central defenders/defensive midfielders will be licking their lips at what a player like him could do and what he could become.

Cantwell is still learning imo and I would like to see him being more creative. As I have watched him this season at games and most recently at Preston, he runs around a lot, plays small passes accurately most of the time but plays key passes very rarely. You could say he only has to do one key pass to lead to a goal, but when you look at Vrancic, Buendia for instance, they are trying and succeeding in key passes a lot more. Cantwell has scored goals too, fair enough, but for sheer agression in attack, Hernandez on his day is hurting defenders, pulling them out of position which creates space for others - and often makes shots on goal. If Duda and Buendia can make the key passes, then Hernandez with Lewis on the left, with Aarons on the right, every single player is offering something positive all the time, with of course the intelligence and skill of Pukki up front. Cantwell is an important player for us, but I think we can be more effective with others in the team at the moment.

Perhaps we could offer to pay them the £3 million at the rate of 5p in the pound?

You stand little chance of getting a reply (of any sense anyway). 1. The consensus of many of the "investor advocates" on here is that the amount of money we need is "enough." Nothing specific 2. They caution us that the money has to be spent wisely, but without any explanation of how this objective is to be achieved and if it is so easy, why everybody doesn't spend it wisely? 3. They explain that it would lead to us becoming successful, like Leicester, carefully ignoring all the examples of other clubs that have tried, failed and have been left in the doldrums for years, even though there is an example less than 50 miles down the road. 4. They naively expect the "investor" to give us money - despite all the examples of investors lending it secured against the assets of the club. 5. They rarely acknowledge that the purpose of an investor is to take money out of the club, not put it in. 6. They naively ignore the fact that Norwich would be an asset strippers paradise, unless we were sold for well over £100 million. Blooms £200 million would be nowhere near enough in today's inflated transfer market. 7. But I can tolerate their what I perceive as their naivety and lack of understanding, and understand that they are passionate fans who want the best for the club. What really irritates me, though, is that those of us, who feel that we have some degree of financial acumen are said to be less ambitious or passionate about the future of Norwich City. I don't want an external investor because it is more likely to impede our progress than help - unless we get a Bloom or Gibson. Failing this or a Sheikh or other mega-rich donor, a long term policy of building incrementally rather than thinking short-term has to be the best way forwards. I think it was Jim Morison who said, "We want the world and we want it now." Well in Norwich's case, I want the world too, but recognise that we might have to be patient, rather than looking for easy quick-hit solutions that are more likely to fail than succeed.

Now he really has the boat rocking. Dirty little toe rag.

Cancelled. Brexit.

I think that if Duda impresses in training he will play. Also from an attacking point of view, I woud prefer to start with Hernandez so that would be - Krul Aarons Zimmermann Godfrey Lewis Tettey Vrancic Buendia Duda Hernandez Pukki

Be wary, people, of the Marcus Evans model. His initial interest was directed towards Southampton FC, attracted possibly by the acquiring their training at Marchwood, the old Sealand complex down towards the periphery of the New Forest. Prime land in a beautiful area potentially worth many multi millions, subject to planning. Evans and Southampton fell through, I forget exactly why and probably the real reason remains undeclared Evans' attention turned to Ipswich Town, with its 50 acres of training grounds in affluent Rushmere. The club and its assets were acquired for a written down cost of something in excess of £6m. The football club and the real estate at Rushmere were swiftly legally separated. A cynic would regard Rushmere as Evans' insurance policy. A bigger cynic would regard it less charitably. The same issues would be relevant to any sale of Norwich City.

I don’t see that at all, certainly the main theme of this thread is abuse being thrown around by remainers, most leavers I suspect sit on the sideline happy that things are moving on. As for the government they seem to be getting off to a good start, as I had said previously Johnson is far more Liberal than many on here are prepared to accept, not fitting their agenda of RWNJ and all that 😀

The much anticipated Unicorns turned out to be mangy Shetland Ponies with pointy party hats strapped to their heads. 😂 Apples

As a fan who can't always make it to games, I've enjoyed and come to expect incredible drama and engagement from every visit to Carrow Road and have rarely been disappointed. Being a true "yo-yo club" has enabled me to always invest emotionally in what was going on, whether it be the promotion chase or relegation dogfight. In the past decade, we've been relegated 3 times and promoted 4. I fear my expectations for intrigue are now too high. Given the up and down nature of our recent existence, I think most fans appreciate the current willingness to change the way the club operates in a permanent way: i.e. the self-financed, youth-centric, possession-based approach that we've now taken up. The club has matured in it's consideration for its own future, and the importance of a strong culture of development within the club. All of this has made me expect/demand the following: - Continued openness from the club management (Webber, Kensell, Ward, Smith & Co) - Continued investment in our youth and infrastructure - Continued focus on matchday access (getting ticketing right) and matchday experience (I love the lap of NCFC legends before a ig game) - Continued commitment to possession-based football. I'd rather be relegated than play like burnley. - Patience from the fans with respect to our approach, if you don't realise how good we've got it!

At least they have the satisfaction of getting what they voted for. I don't know if my impression is wrong but nevertheless it seems to me that since Brexit became all but certain at the end of this month the Remainers have been fairly calm (although resigned to it might be better way of putting it) wheareas the Leavers who you'd expect to be pretty chipper are still getting angrier and more miserable about the whole thing. Can't really work out why unless they're finally beginning to realise how flakey the Liar and his government really are.

Always read the smallprint, Ray.

We would definitely win the league playing with twelve men 😂

God I miss the days when we didn't have to do in depth analysis of players social media posts.

That’s nothing buddy, you want to see his missus

Don't know that it is but that's how I read Smiffy's email. Tickets for Norwich City’s FA Cup Fourth Round clash with Burnley at Turf Moor will go on sale from Thursday, January 16. The match kicks off on Saturday, January 25. Tickets will be available via each of the following sales windows: Priority Window: Thursday, January 16 (9am) Away Premier Members: Thursday, January 16 (1pm) Away Standard Members: Friday, January 17 (9am) Season Ticket Holders: Friday, January 17 (1pm) General Sale: Saturday, January 18 (9am) Tickets are priced separately depending on the window of purchase, these are: Away Members and Season Ticket Holders Adults £15 65+ £7.50 Under-22s £7.50 General Sale (Including Home Members) Adults £20 65+ £10 Under-22s £10 Please note supporters aged 13 and under must be accompanied by an over-18. Strict age checks will be in place for all concession tickets, therefore appropriate ID is required. Coach Travel is priced at £39 with a £1 discount for season ticket holders and away members. Coaches will depart Carrow road at 7:30am on the day of the game.

Here you go...

That’s a great idea, I’m surprised it hasn’t been raised earlier.

Looks like a sale with loan back to me.

Because of Pukkis age he isnt going to command a massive fee. Equally for how we play we know just how important he is to us. As things stand hes probably worth more to us than anyone is willing to pay.

Maybe Delia’s had a cheeky couple million at 4/1 knowing she’s going to sell to Spurs?😉👍

Minimum it sounds . If we sell one of the stars this window you can maybe double that.

I think the question here should be “who actually gives a fu ck?”

Because I don't spend my days obsessing over instagram posts from our reserve keeper? Pretty happy to stay in the 90's if that is the case...

Yeah fair, big advocate of Vrancic's range of passing and is why I think he should start every home game. Obviously buendia has a ridiculous 2.9 key passes per game so is on another planet to the rest of our players.

Dont think Hernandez has done anything to warrant a start over Cantwell. I also think Hernandez works better as an impact sub whereas I dont see that being a feature of Cantwells game. Otherwise agree.

Haha, joking apart, think Biglia’s off to Celta Vigo or something, CC. Biglia has also been universally slammed by Milan fans, and they are literally praying for his departure - sounds exactly what we don’t need!

Sticker book all done thanks to the help from a few of you guys, and lasses. I believe the EDP vouchers have now stopped but you can get some stickers from the Archant office. I have a load of spares, if anyone needs any drop me a pm.

I think at home Vrancic has to play. If not then Leitner in the same position. Vrancic' range of passing and ability to switch it out to the fullbacks is something I'm not sure Tettey or Amadou are capable of.

Well he had a lot of shares in Arsenal from 2007 to 2016. He then sold these and took a controlling interest in Everton so I guess he see's himself as an investor. As things stand at the moment he's probably an investor who goes to bed at night thinking "what the f**k have I done?" I imagine this feeling was particularly strong after we won 2-0 at their place.

Alex i would love to keep all the youngsters BUT if we go down and Liverpool , Spurs ,Man utd etc plus big clubs aboard are interested and bidding would he be happy playing in the championship i doubt it , Also if given the chance to earn x5 ,x6 ,x7 times what he is on now for the next 5 years also he is 20 but will he play until he is 32 or will he get a Ashton type injury and be finished young ? ( I DO HOPE NOT ) chances to earn that type of money rarely come along and that is what if it was me would be thinking footballers careers can be finished in a flash ,

Here’s a reason - Not sure what Aaron’s is on a week guessing it definitely won’t be more than £50 k a week. Abraham’s and Hudson Adoy are similar sort of ages but Abraham’s won’t sign another Chelsea contract until they offer him the same as Hudson - £188,000 per week. Whatever the rights and wrongs unfortunately clubs of our size cannot compete on salaries and a footballers career is short. Just like us players have their whole life to consider and I can’t see loyalty or playing all the time as part of any consideration, those days have long gone.

If you're so ashamed of our club best you go off and support someone else eh? To be honest it sounds as if you already do!

Hardly in depth Mr 'King, aren't many reasons why players are at training ground in the evenings and the video clip was on a rather public site. I'll grant that he hasn't been spotted at Morrisons or Argos though.

Interesting article on the request from Boris to crowdfund Big Ben bonging, from the Daily Mash.🤭🤣 The five types of tw*t who'll pay for Big Ben to bong for Brexit BIG BEN bonging for Brexit is the worst charitable cause since a druggie with a stolen charity tin rattled it around the local, but the cretins who support it live among us. Tw*ts who believe tax is theft Anyone who looks at their wageslip and thinks ‘That’s not fair. I shouldn’t be paying for the A470 when I hardly use it’ will happily throw cash at an inane and pointless cause like reinstalling a big clapper back in a massive clock for a single day. Because they’re twats. Tw*ts who still wish the national anthem was played on telly In the mists of history, TV finished for the day with God Save The Queen. And some mad tw*ts believe that on the final bong of Brexit Eve the UK will become a sepia-toned wonderland of spitfires and spam on toast where it’s okay to call a dog the N-word, like in The Dam Busters. Tw*ts who would never spare a quid for a homeless person Those who walk past the homeless outside the Waitrose where they’ve just spent £97 on goose fat and Burgundy will suddenly find lots of spare cash in their pockets for this type of twattery. Perpetually angry little tw*ts like MP Mark Francois The people who blame everything that’s wrong about their lives on Europeans, gays, women and Meghan Markle, rather than blaming the tw*t in the mirror. They’re not necessarily male tw*ts either. Anne Widdecombe’s one. Nigel Farage Will put in one per cent of his £153k MEP redundancy payment on condition he is allowed to strike the bell himself with a good solid Sheffield steel sledgehammer. Will f**k up and break the bell. Apples

To add, what makes it harder than it otherwise would be - but not impossible, as some continue to believe - to mount a successful hostile takeover of NCFC is not PLC status but that the club/company is not listed on a stock market.

Gayle was mentioned as someone who we were offered for £105,000 a week. I don't think he's coming to Norwich any time soon. Bear in mind that Drinkwater is supposedly on £110,000 and Villa are covering all of that - he was in the team beaten 6-1 by City this week. So, no, you don't always get what you pay for. Norwich get criticised for not going for it - you can't say that Villa haven't gone for it; they've spent about £170m so far. Who would you rather be?

Its amazing to me that we have so many players apparently valued so highly when we can't win a game. It must mean the rest of the players are really, really bad! Aatons, Lewis, Godfrey, Buendia, Cantwell, Pukki are all supposedly worth about £30m each! Some reckon Godfrey at £50m. Even Krul, Klose and Zimbo are in the £10m bracket according to some. On another thread the club as a whole is valued at about £60m. Given we own our ground, lots of land around it and all of the Colney Centre, as well as these players contracts and about another 50 including the Academy, I may not be the world's best at Maths but if anyone fancies starting a consortium to buy the club, I'm in!! With that asset value against cost how can we lose? A supporters consortium buys it for £60m, we flog those 6 or 7, pay a thumping great dividend of about £120m, then flog it on again. Lots of angry people but what do we care, we're on a beach in Barbados! My point being that perhaps our players aren't really worth that much after all...…and perhaps our owners are not really bleeding the club dry?

Of course it has already started, they would be nuts not to consider it. But that's completely different to throwing in the towel, and for me the team, manager, and fans who don't have an axe to grind, haven't given up yet. If we don't beat Bournemouth, then that obviously changes. But the fat lady has not got on stage yet.

I think both eventualities are being prepared for, they are not stupid.

The sale of Maddison was very important, but you have to take into account the sale of Pritchard and the Murphy twins as well, all young players being sold on for significant amounts. Imagine if the finances of the club had been in good state before we sold them, the net income from their sales (over £50m) would have been available for developing further. That is the position we are in today - a healthy club with assets we can sell for big money to attract new young players to the club and bring them through. As for things being bad in the past, yes, I would agree that club policies over the years have been flawed - but we all accepted McNally's idea of every penny going into buying players - and that got us into the financial mess in the first place. I agree that Worthy was kept too long, I agree that the Hughton appointment was not a good one as it meant complete change rather than trying to build on Lambert's philosophy (although of course I supported Hughton while here). I even agree in hindsight that the Gunn experiment was not good, although I think the idea was a good one with a group of Norwich ex-players in charge to develop a Norwich way of playing. So yes, mistakes have been made, but if you look at the present, what is actually happening now at the club, we are in the best place we have ever been in terms of saleable assets and in overall stability. I know we are struggling in the top league and lack of big finance is a factor, but overall the club is in a very, very healthy situation for developing itself, over a number of years. Even now, if we sold just four players and netted £120m plus, add the parachute payment if we are relegated, whatever that is - £60m? - we then have a pool of £180m+ that does not need to be spent on paying debts or non-sensical big contracts - it can be put into developing the squad, helping buy in other young talent to develop, even developing the stadium. We have a good thing going for us.

I will explain as succinctly as I can: I fell in love with NCFC one night in the early 1970's, listening on the radio to a latter stages League Cup game against Chelsea at a fog-shrouded Carrow Road. Affection for the club was embedded that night, and has never left me. Strange, but true. I have lived well away from Norfolk all of the years since until moving to the city last year. During those years living away from Norwich I did work for another EFL club, some of it voluntary, never full-time, doing the things I love in and around football. Working inside football you soon get to see the underbelly - the good and the bad in roughly equal measure. At one time I used to think that I had decent contacts with every club in the League. So, in 2017 I decided it was finally time to cut my ties elsewhere and to commit full time to following City, initially travelling the distance required and more recently as a resident of the city. Now the rub. This is what I have found: the effort that the club puts into treating its supporters fairly and with respect is pretty much unmatched within the upper reaches of the pyramid. The integrity of the club is unmatched. The communication with fans is equally outstanding. The level of entertainment provided is impressive for the size of the club. That's enough to be going on with, I think.

I cannot think of a single area where the club is failing to provide me with the 'product' which I expect. Last season was fantastic. This season is disappointing. There is not a club in world that does not have disappointing seasons. Not one. The club has integrity, two-way respect, it provides a great environment for us all. It strives to succeed within its means. It is open and exceptionally approachable. It is always looking to improve.l I really don't ask for much more than this. Would I like Delia and Michael to be 500 times more wealthy? Possibly, but not if it spoiled the fantastic club we have.