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Telling someone with an addiction disorder to ‘get some willpower’ is like telling someone with depression to ‘pull yourself together and cheer up’.

Genuinely can we keep the softcore **** to the one thread? Some of us like to view this forum on our breaks at work and I'm currently unsure as to what thread I can open in the office without risking some uncomfortable questions. It really isn't too much to ask.

Certainly no lack of excitement in your house

Said before and I'll say it again. Popular Global brands like Adidas, Nike etc put 0 effort in to most kits. Many of them are just stock training kits, recoloured with a couple of badges and a sponsor thrown on. I'm much happier having our ones which are more or less unique to us, than sharing a kit with a sunday pub league, german, and french team

The new home shirt is yellow!

To copy you a little here "by this logic": we wouldn't need many, many regulatory laws. The simple fact is this world is no longer survival of the fittest, and good thing for many. Laws like this are set up to protect the most vulnerable of us in society. By what you've said here. Like you, lets take it to the extreme on the other side - - why am I forced go adhere to speed limits? I'm a responsible driver. I, myself, was hit by a speeding car when I was 7 and it snapped my femur in half (truth). I know both the potential consequences of driving too fast, and the caution needed when you see pedestrians both in the road and on the path. So what's the point of limiting my speed to snailspace when going through residential and commercial areas? The answer is pretty simple. We as people can't be trusted. We're too self involved and obsessed to be trusted to do whats right, even with laws and regulations. People would abuse/take advantage of it, and drive recklessly for trivial things (when compared to the welfare of others) such as being late for working or needing a pi**. In this situation, companies are the drivers, and consumers are everyone and anyone that you can injure in this faux, speedlimit free world. It's all well and good to say these people need to want to seek help, and there is certainly truth to that. But that's not the deciding factor here. The human brain when it comes to dopamine isn't that simple.

Shows how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think they look awful!

So we now have dafabet (whoever they are). Betting companies are part of football and everyday life - it's everywhere........does that make it right? Betting is a bit like drinking and smoking, it's addictive, people do it too much and it ruins lives, families and health. Ben Kensell says that making extra money in our self sustained club is key to our progress and that getting as much money as possible from memberships and sponsorship is important. I don't know. It seems as if any kind of money is acceptable from wherever it comes from. Screw the fans, lack of morals when it comes to shirt sponsorsdhip......where next...sell the grandmother? I know, I'm old fashioned, but I would much prefer that betting was not promoted so obviously everywhere. Just because dafabet are "global" does not make them desireable.....all it means is they have made l;oads of money out of people world wide, often poor people. Is betting still an issue that we should be concerned about.....of course it is. i wonder what will be next to become ok to advertise freely.......

Dodged a bullet there. Thanks Craig.

Id say its 6-4 you can remove it.😉

I want to be able to wear a shirt that does not promote something that I have personally seen destroy the lives of many people. I have no issues with anyone else that does not think like me about this but simply telling you how I feel. It just doesn't sit comfortably with me. Surely the club could produce and allow supporters to purchase adult shirts with the youth sponsor on it as an alternative? I would be prepared to pay more for the shirt if necessary. I am saddened that I am unable to now buy our shirt again due to this sponsorship. There must be others out there that are refusing to buy the shirts like me because of a gambling company on the front of it.

Supermarkets and KFC aren’t offering immediate resource for addicts. There is more of a delay and thought process involved if someone wants to eat themselves silly or get drunk. Online betting companies are offering instant betting with numerous offers and all through endless advertising. I agree a logo on a football shirt won’t make much difference to whether one decides to gamble but it is part of a much wider problem that needs addressing.

Norwich City, sponsored by the raging perverts

Binners set to announce "Daftbet" as their sponsors.

The psychology of gambling is nefarious. I like a punt, and sometimes do get a little carried away (spending more than I meant to), but I, luckily, have the ability to reel myself in before it becomes detrimental. However, it would be very easy for me to "slip" in a big way. I get that advertising does not in itself promote dangerous gambling behaviours, but it does, in a sense, normalise the behaviour that can lead someone to those behaviours. Imagine, if you will, someone who has had their live wrecked by compulsive gambling, does everything they can to remove themselves from temptation, but then goes to the game to see it splattered all over their team's shirt and ground advertising boards. It must be a nightmare. I have seen second hand (luckily not first) how gambling can destroy a family, as a good friend of mine's brother lost everything: his job, his home, his family. By all accounts one of the last people you would think would succumb. Gambling addiction, more than any other, is nefarious because it is so easy to hide. There are none of the physical symptoms that are associated with any other addiction, and when they are finally found out, it is because their life is in ruins (or worse). For me, gambling companies should not be able to advertise so pervasively in sports. Like tobacco and alcohol, they can ruin people's lives. And just like those two vices the behaviour is so intrinsically linked to the industry (perhaps even more so). It associates an activity you are passionate about with one that is addictive and is specifically designed to heighten your investment from emotional to financial. And it is a high when not only does your team win, but because they won to nil and Teemu Pukki scored and they were level at half time, you have also won a bundle of cash to go with it (yes, this really happened). I can attest that gambling can suck you in, and if you are not careful, can destroy your life.

It makes total sense. Advertising is designed to encourage people to buy or partake in things, but there's never a gun to your head, and how much you're willing to spend comes down to the availability of funds and level of self-control you CHOOSE to exercise. I can CHOOSE to go for a pint, I can CHOOSE to have 10 pints, I can CHOOSE to have 15 bottles of vodka a day, but seeing an advert for Carling or Smirnoff doesn't immediately mean that any of those 3 examples will happen because I still have free CHOICE, and can in fact CHOOSE to not even have a single drink. I'm sorry but we live in a blame society and it's already gone completely out of hand, e.g. you trip in the street because you weren't looking where you were going - you then sue the council for a slightly misaligned paving stone instead of going "That was MY fault for not looking where I was walking". Some people choose eat McDonalds 3 times a day for 10 years then complain that McDonalds made them overweight instead of accepting it was THEIR choice to constantly eat there and not give a damn about nutritional balance, rather than it being a case of Ronald McDonald bashing down their door each day to force feed them incessant Big Mac meals. A guy chooses to spend all his wages down the local boozer, and suddenly it's Kronenbourg's fault that he's become a raging alcoholic because they dared show an advert on TV with Cantona recommending the stuff. It all comes down to personal choice and self-control, some people display far less control and are more easily influenced than others, but it's up to them to learn how to exercise control rather than demanding that adverts be banned, and blaming all and sundry for their own failures.

Which they then followed up with taking Qatari money, you know, the ones responsible for thousands of migrant worker deaths, barbaric anti-homosexual laws and legal slavery. But the UNICEF thing was nice, wasn't it?

Me to. I don't have anything against gambling but I would have liked to have seen the club go in a different direction. Betting companies sponsoring football clubs is old hat and we seem to be scraping the barrel with this one. Dafttobet? Never heard of them. At least we'll get shot of that horrible turd brown Leo Vegas logo.

Yes! Thanks.

Yes, it was David Cotterill [edit] cross post

Yep! I mentioned him on another thread just the other day, funnily enough, as an example of how much better (and earlier) we conduct our transfer windows these days.

Zero hour contacts are not in the same category as slavery, child labour and hard drug dealing. As for the moral stand against betting companies, I get the viewpoint but its not one I particularly subscribe to. A vast majority of companies abuse people, the environment, or both at varying levels.

I have no problem with our shirt bearing the name of a betting company, why should we lose out financially to make a moral stand. BUT, I believe online gambling is in no way regulated enough, in fact it should be regulated to within an inch of it's life, the pervasive and insidious way the industry promotes itself is causing harm to a whole gamut of people. The wild west style "prospecting" that is currently allowed to happen in the form of the almost unrestricted advertising is sickening. Time to call a halt to the rampant profiteering of (some) human nature.

Bethnal, if that is a reply to my post what I said was ""...part of me thinks that if punters get in too deep that is entirely their fault. Whatever happened to willpower?" No part of me would ever say that to someone suffering from depression, which is well-established as having genuine biological, social and psychological causes. Any day of the week it is possible to read heart-breaking stories of suicides by people who seemingly had golden futures ahead of them. I do not pretend to be an expert, far from it, but it does not seem so clear to me that there are such well-established causes for people to start gambling too heavily for their own good (although there seem to be some biological changes that occur ONCE someone has gone down that path). Certainly not in all cases. I assume, for example, that some punters keep on betting because they convince themselves that the next big flutter will be the one to recoup all their losses.

This point always gets made and always missed the point. Nobody is calling for it to be taken away from you. As far as I'm aware nobody is here calling for a ban on gambling or to close down bookmakers, just some greater regulation on the advertising and offers used to hook people in. That is great for you. But advertising clearly works on some people otherwise these companies wouldn't spend so much money on it. Would your enjoyment of gambling be damaged if you didn't see 20 adverts per game for betting companies? I'm taking a stab at no.

Having worked in the industry for some 14 years, I obviously take no issue with this. People need to be accountable for their own decisions in life. We're becoming a soft society that keeps telling people, "it's not your fault"

Yup - my lad will be the same. Completely understand the rule, but I also completely understand where my son is coming from too.

Absolutely no issue with gambling companies sponsoring clubs / shirts or whatever. Major part of the football economy and a big player in it. Sounds like we got a great deal too.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about betting companies, I think this is the absolute bottom line when it comes to Dafabet sponsoring Norwich City Football Club.

You could just as easily order 24 cans and a litre of Vodka for online delivery through a supermarket (and some local shops offer this as well), but we're not castigating Tesco et al for offering the service. I can order ridiculous amounts of food online as well for that matter, and nobody is going to tell KFC that they need to be more responsible in providing endless chicken to customers. On both of these services I could spaff huge sums without getting up, but neither would be getting the hassle that the betting companies are. Just as a side note, I don't gamble much beyond a weekly Lotto ticket and the occasional quid or two on the footy if the mood takes me, so it's not like I'm some gambling obsessed fan who's defending their enjoyment with this stance, I just don't see how a shirt logo became Pandora's Box.

As a I said before, I used to work in the gambling industry and I'm not convinced by that. They promote responsible gambling because they legally have to- they agree to do it in order to avoid stricter regulations from the government. But honestly, do they care about responsible gambling when there's profit to be made? Not a chance. They push every product they have as much as they can without breaching the responsible gambling laws. Alcohol isn't exactly hard to come across. You have to go to the supermarket, for example, and booze is extremely accessible there.

Come and live in Reykjavík! not cheap, only one state run chain of off licenses. Actually, beer was banned here until 1989 Sorry to hear about your friend, Alcohol can be a ****

Alcohol is probably THE most damaging drug out there. Totally understand what you're saying, Indy and also with regards to cannabis which I believe should be legal and is far less damaging. The issue is that alcohol is freely available (in that it's available everywhere) and not hugely expensive. So people consume it at a ridiculous level if they have an addiction. I have a good friend, who became completely unknown to me for some time as he was hugely addicted to booze. It was actually soul destroying to see what a mess he became. Just a constant stream of lies spilling out of his mouth and he couldn't even speak straight half the time, such was the effect of the amount he was drinking. Another person known to me through friends recently died because of his alcoholism. He was about 34 years old. Destroyed himself with it. So, as much as we all like a drink let's not try and pretend that gambling is as damaging to ones health as booze is. This is why I said earlier on that it makes sense that alcohol companies aren't allowed to sponsor sports teams anymore. Ok, we might not go, "I'm gonna drink Foster's now as they sponsor our shirt" but those companies would undoubtedly then have various other brand activation things going on which WOULD have one sole purpose... To get people drinking their product! The irony of all this is that I work in the drinks industry! However, everything we do promotes responsible drinking and it is the same for alcohol companies. They have to do that. Gambling companies also try and promote responsible gambling. It is a very thin line to tread, admittedly

That's the most important part, don't care if it's a betting firm or Colman's giving us a good deal....

From a moral standpoint I have no issue with having a betting company on the shirt- on an average trip to the city you'll probably be subject to offers from Coral, you'll see ads for William Hill in the pub, watch the TV and Ray Winston will be bloking you into betting on the next goalscorer, and a host of others. There are greater forces at work than Norwich City's football shirts. From an objective design perspective, the Dafabet logo is slim can be made to work with club colours which almost always results in a better look. Errea have been throwing almost entirely bespoke designs at us for a few years now, so where we would usually try and guess what it will be, it feels a little futile this year. But for fun, these are what I have my Football Manager side playing in:

A tiny bit disappointed but not surprised at all - in the interview they suggest that you need to be sponsored by these brands to compete with the deals other clubs have... And while I would obviously be happier to be sponsored by an industry that does not frustrate me so much, it is hard to argue with their reasoning. I will not choose to buy one myself, but hope the kit looks good nonetheless. Leovegas did not hamper my enjoyment of last season in the slightest and defabet won't hamper my enjoyment of next season.

I went... I was in dreamland after those three homers in the first, but sadly it wasn't to be. Ridiculous food and drink prices, but a cracking day's entertainment nonetheless.

They tried it on but I saw straight through them.

Mor is amazing. Such a gifted player, one of the most exciting I’ve ever seen - up there with any player when it comes to dribbling and beating a man one on one, or often one on two or three as teams often have to commit several players to stop him. Unfortunately he is at risk of wasting that talent if he doesn’t start applying himself professionally. Falling out with Tuchel isn’t the worst thing in the world as he can start an argument in an empty room - but the issues at Celta are a big worry. His signing was a coup for them and they wouldn’t give up on him lightly. This could be the wake up call he needs, like Marcus Edwards seems to have had with his move to Holland. Ultimately I place the chances of this rumour coming true to be about 0%. Any rumour where all three promoted clubs are mentioned are generally nonsense. Norwich don’t need me another left footed attacker now that Roberts has been signed and even with the problems Mor has had, he’d still be able to command high wages. I don’t take the reported discipline issues as being the reason why this wouldn’t happen though. Buendia was regarded as a difficult character in Spain so Norwich are prepared to take that risk if they feel the player is talented enough - which Mor certainly is.

Just shows how many mugs are out there. The bookie always wins!!! The odds they give are so bad, yet punters still throw them their money! Bizarre......

Curious that India have changed colours so as not to clash with England. Surely the two blokes carrying lumps of wood is the giveaway.

Flexibility is a key attribute for the way we play. Last season there was always someone available out wide, not always a wide player - so it isn't a surpise we are looking at players who can play anywhere around the pitch.

I assume Webber et al are doing the same, and are managing the budget accordingly.

That's the spirit! 😉

I found Conor Southwell’s interview for My Football Writer with Webber a few months ago really well balanced and professionally executed. It feels less about the interviewer and more about the subject matter, TNC on the other hand seems to push for an equal focus on their footing as fans as much as the subject they’re asking questions to. The MFW link below takes you to the written article but I think there’s a video link in there too. Check it out. http://norwichcity.myfootballwriter.com/2019/02/01/webber-exclusive-part-one-the-new-culture-at-norwich-city-football-club/

Meh. Was excited when I saw this was coming but felt it just repeated a lot of things he’d already said in other interviews. Also felt there was a huge lack of scrutiny from the interviewers. Chris is particularly bad as he is so sycophantic. There was a bit of an elephant in the room when talking about bringing in the legends and how important that is - when one of Webber’s first actions was to sack Huckerby. I’m not saying sacking him was the wrong thing to do, but it was an obvious question to ask at that point. Also felt it was too backwards looking, almost no talk of what Norwich’s plans are for the next few seasons and no real scrutiny of Norwich’s approach to transfers this summer. Even if Jack and Chris agree with Webber, they should at least probe a bit more. This is the difference between Webber etc going on fan podcasts rather than being interviewed by journalists. It is an easy ride for them.

Nope. Stay on course as we are, wait until we sell one of our young players for 30m plus and use that to build over the City stand. The bubble isn't going to burst anytime soon and transfer fees are going to keep on inflating, soon 30m for a new stand won't seem that extravagant. It would require us to spend a few years in the PL and to keep unearthing young talent but I'm confident we can do it. It's better than taking out a loan or gambling with TV money. There's no need to move anyway. We'd rarely sell above 35k and it's not worth relocating for an extra 5-7000 seats. I think around 32-34k would be a sweet spot for us and enough to sustain us at the top level.

Adshead is an attacking midfielder. Primarily used as a 10 by Rochdale. Roberts has never played as a striker in his career. He scored 15 in 55 games for Celtic, which is a decent return but not sure it highlights him as a goal scorer.

Yet I think the arguments that there should be a few quality signings added to the squad are reasonable too They are indeed. Quality is more important than marquee. Yes we would love to think that we could attract a "name". I think the sticking point is the unreasonable demands from those who would desert us if we go down.

Some decent away kits have been released by other teams this year ..... we'd look good in either of these 🙂