Rock The Boat

Sometimes the police will rightly tell you 'don't walk down that street because there's someone waving a gun' . And that would be the right response to an emergency situation. I guess the problem is where the situation becomes normalised so that it is always dangerous to walk that way, and then it is fair to ask the police why they aren't doing something. I'm not sure if we are in normalised or emergency territory with these marches but I think the Jewish bloke was definitely testing the waters

This sounds like a bloke after a cheap shag...

I beg your pudding, I missed your post in the blizzzard of responses to my original post. My point of being here is not to stretch the pointy finger of judgement at Angela, but more to remind my fellow Pinkun posters that sleaze doesn't exist on just one side of the House of Commons, which you might think if you were a visiting alien, and new to this forum. I am here to add balance On your other point, what bloke and what crime are you on about?

Not at all, I'm all glee. Do carry on.

Any league 1 or league 2 team from North of the Wash. I mean, what is the point of them? A long drive if we are unfortunate enough to be drawn against them in the cup. Inedible match day food invariably covered in industrial waste sauce. Inability to speak the King's English. A penchant for skinny dogs. Inevitable rain. No sun, ever. Homes with outside toilets. And as for City fans living in the North, what are you thinking of?

I always thought it was the river bend. I'm sure we used to chant Sing Up the River Bend?

Arbroath. We once bought some nice shortbread there

Once I made a cup of tea before a game, and missed the first ten minutes searching for one of those dodgy stream things. When I got in the score was 0-0 but my tea had gone cold. The labrador still laughs about that until I had him put down.

There are young men down at Poorman Road identifying as footballers. The world's gone mad, I tell ya.

He's not Gray, he's ours.

some very interesting points YF, and time is a very interesting concept, especially for someone who hates to be late for things. i think time is both a forward linear and a backward linear concept as well as a sideways in any direction concept depending on how you want to observe it. The easiest way to imagine time, imo, is to imagine the surface of a sphere where there is no beginning and no end. However, if you were to place a dot somewhere on the surface of the sphere you have created a here and now concept, and if you were to trace a line it would disappear into the future but eventually would come round to the past and end up back at the starting point. so in that way time is both forward and backward looking and things are the same whatever way you go. Another interesting feature of this model is that every other single point in time is potentially available to the start point and just requires a change in direction to reach it. so for me this covers the possibility of omniscience. As far as I can tell, the creator kicking off the big bang to begin creation also kicks off time as well. I wish I could give you an answer about the behaviour of time around black holes and gravity but i'm afraid I don't know enough detail about the subject. some say it takes a leap of faith to believe in a God. i prefer not to use the term 'God' as it comes with several thousands years of baggage and precluded beliefs not based on a god. i much prefer to think in terms of a creator, and i think looking at the evidence of a creation which I can see and am part of, and knowing that creation is an ongoing daily scientific-based process, and then knowing that a creation requires a creator, putting two and two together suggests to me there is a creator that created everything we eperience and that creation started with a big bang A finally we come to the beginning - In the beginning was the word - and just like you say, the beginning was all the algorithms that hold true in science. and once we got the scientific blueprints the creator got busy with their creation. I don't see a conflict between science and the religious belief in a creator. But nobody should be forced or manipulated into believing in a creator.

If i was being pedantic i would agree that angela raynor deserves her own thread, but it's not me attempting to shutdown discussion by deflection or pedantry. So there, chubby chops.

i think on the Labour thread it's whataboutery.

Wrong thread. This is about Labour

I'm sitting on a chair. It's a very fine wooden chair with carved legs and arm rests. Now I know nothing about the creator of this chair and looking at the chair there are very few clues about the creator of this fine piece of furniture, but I have a very deep faith that there was a creator because I can see the chair, sit in it and know that nothing exists that hasn't been created from other things. So my faith for a creator of everything comes from the evidence of a universe full of things that are created, were created and will be created. The Bible talks about the world beginning with light and science is beginning to understand that the universe did begin with light. As a species we have arrived on the scene a few thousand years ago in a universe that has been around for billions of years, so it hardly surprising we don't know very much. Don't be impatient lads. The natural question is if a creator created everything, who created the creator? The answer is sadly we may never know. We can experience the creation to know there must be a creator but we can't experience the creator to know what the creator is. Perhaps we will find out after we die. Or if you have been lucky enough to experience the divine you may have experienced something of the creator already.